Del operator in different coordinate

In summary, the Homework Statement is to transform the Del operator in rectangular coordinate system to spherical coordinate system. The find the Laplace operator in spherical coordinate is done by dot producting the Del operator with itself.
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Homework Statement


I would like to transform the Del operator form rectangular coordinate system to spherical coordinate system. The find the Laplace operator in spherical coordinate.


2. The attempt at a solution
1) In rectangular coordinate system, Del operator is given by

[tex]
\nabla = \frac{\partial }{\partial x}\hat{x} + \frac{\partial }{\partial y}\hat{y} + \frac{\partial }{\partial z}\hat{z}
[/tex]

I know if you want to transform a vector in one coordinate system to a corresponding vector in other coordinate system, you got to know the transformation (matrix). For spherical coordinate system, the transformation matrix is given

[tex]
M = \left(
\begin{matrix}
\sin\theta\cos\varphi & \sin\theta\sin\varphi & \cos\theta \\
\cos\theta\cos\varphi & \cos\theta\sin\varphi & -\sin\theta \\
-\sin\varphi & \cos\varphi & 0
\end{matrix}
\right)
[/tex]

So that any vector [tex]\vec{r} = u_x \hat{x} + u_y \hat{y} + u_z \hat{z}[/tex] will be transformed as

[tex]
\left(
\begin{matrix}
u_r \\ u_\theta \\ u_\varphi
\end{matrix}
\right)
=
M
\left(
\begin{matrix}
u_x \\ u_y \\ u_x
\end{matrix}
\right)
[/tex]

Similarly, I apply the same transformation to Del operator

[tex]
\left(
\begin{matrix}
\frac{\partial}{\partial r} \\ \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} \\ \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial \varphi}
\end{matrix}
\right)
=
M
\left(
\begin{matrix}
\frac{\partial}{\partial x} \\ \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial y} \\ \\ \frac{\partial}{\partial z} \end{matrix}
\right)
[/tex]

But if you multiply all terms out, for example, the first component of the result vector

[tex]
\frac{\partial}{\partial r} =
\sin\theta\cos\varphi \frac{\partial}{\partial x} + \sin\theta\sin\varphi \frac{\partial}{\partial y} + \cos\theta \frac{\partial}{\partial z}
[/tex]

I don't know what to do next. How can I get the following result?

[tex]\nabla = \boldsymbol{\hat r}\frac{\partial}{\partial r} + \boldsymbol{\hat \theta}\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta} + \boldsymbol{\hat \varphi}\frac{1}{r \sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial \varphi}.[/tex]

2) Suppose the Del operator in spherical coordinate is in above form. To find Laplace operator, just dot product the Del operator with itself

[tex]\nabla\cdot\nabla = \nabla^2 = \frac{\partial^2}{\partial r^2} + \frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\left(\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial}{\partial \theta}\right) + \frac{1}{r \sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial \varphi}\left(\frac{1}{r \sin\theta}\frac{\partial}{\partial \varphi}\right)[/tex]

But I remember the Laplace operator in spherical coordinate is

[tex] \nabla^2 = {1 \over r^2} {\partial \over \partial r} \left( r^2 {\partial \over \partial r} \right) + {1 \over r^2 \sin \theta} {\partial \over \partial \theta} \left( \sin \theta {\partial \over \partial \theta} \right) + {1 \over r^2 \sin^2 \theta} {\partial^2 \over \partial \phi^2}.[/tex]

I don't know what's wrong here! :(
 
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Doesn't it basically amount to solving simultaneous equations to get it in that form, for 1)
 
  • #3
Here's how I basically started:

[tex] x = r sin(\theta) cos(\phi) [/tex]
[tex] y = r sin(\theta) sin(\phi) [/tex]
[tex] z = r cos(\theta) [/tex]

So let's say we are trying to get the first term, let's differentiate each piece

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial x} = sin(\theta) cos(\phi) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} + ...[/tex] some terms with partials w.r.t. theta and phi

Similarly for y and z we get

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial y} = sin(\theta) sin(\phi) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} + ... [/tex]

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial z} = cos(\theta) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} + ... [/tex]

Now look at your definition for gradient in Cartesian and just multiply and group so for our [tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial r} [/tex] term we get

[tex] sin(\theta) cos(\phi) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \cdot r sin(\theta) cos(\phi) + sin(\theta) sin(\phi) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \cdot r sin(\theta) sin(\phi) + cos(\theta) \frac{\partial}{\partial r} \cdot r cos(\theta) [/tex]

Now if you group and use trig identities you are left with:

[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial r} r [/tex]
 
  • #4
For 2), do your parentheses indicate "argument of" or multiplication? I'm fairly certain in theirs they mean argument of
 

Related to Del operator in different coordinate

1. What is the Del operator and why is it used in different coordinate systems?

The Del operator, denoted by ∇, is a mathematical symbol used to represent a vector differential operator in three-dimensional space. It is commonly used in physics and engineering to express operations involving gradient, divergence, and curl. The reason for using it in different coordinate systems is to make calculations and equations more general and applicable to various situations.

2. How does the Del operator change in different coordinate systems?

The Del operator is defined differently in different coordinate systems. In Cartesian coordinates, it is expressed as (∂/∂x, ∂/∂y, ∂/∂z), while in cylindrical coordinates, it is written as (∂/∂ρ, ∂/∂φ, ∂/∂z), and in spherical coordinates, it is represented by (∂/∂r, 1/r ∂/∂θ, 1/(r sin θ) ∂/∂φ). These different representations allow for the application of the Del operator in different coordinate systems.

3. How is the Del operator used in vector calculus?

The Del operator is used in vector calculus to perform mathematical operations on vector fields, such as finding the gradient, divergence, and curl of a vector field. It is also used in Maxwell's equations in physics to express the electric and magnetic fields in terms of these operations.

4. How is the Del operator used in solving differential equations?

The Del operator is used in solving differential equations by converting them into a system of partial differential equations. This is done by applying the Del operator to both sides of the equation and then solving for the unknown variable. It is also used to find the general solution of a differential equation by integrating the resulting partial differential equation.

5. What are some common applications of the Del operator in different coordinate systems?

The Del operator has various applications in different fields, such as physics, engineering, and mathematics. In physics, it is used to express the equations of motion, electromagnetism, and fluid dynamics. In engineering, it is used to analyze stress and strain in materials. In mathematics, it is used to solve partial differential equations and to study vector fields, such as velocity and acceleration fields.

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