: Comparing Radii of Black Hole & Fast Moving Bodies

In summary, there are two radii associated with black holes - the event horizon at r=2GM/c^2 and the photon sphere at r=3GM/c^2. These radii are measured using Schwarzschild coordinates and are not actual distances. For an observer moving with the black hole, these radii would remain the same regardless of the black hole's speed. There is no clear way to transform these coordinates into moving coordinates in general relativity. Additionally, there is no difference between the behavior of photons and elementary particles in a gravitational field. If a particle has a velocity of c/2, its "event horizon" and "photon sphere" (or "particle sphere") would be four times larger. However,
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It is known that radius of black hole is 2GM/c^2. And second radius is 3GM/c^2. (light ray at the second radius is not eaten but it circulate around black hole.)

But, let us assume that we have body which moves almost with speed of light.
1. Are these two radiuses the same or approximately the same?

Let as assume Light-ray which come from infinity and come close to one body from distance (27)^(1/2) GM/c^2. If this body is changed to black hole, black hole will affect this light-ray that he wil come 3GM/c^2 close to it. And after this it will stay close to black hole, as described above.

2. question, if this is very fast body (not light-ray) is calculation the same?
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exponent137 said:
It is known that radius of black hole is 2GM/c^2.
Let's be a little more precise and use some technical jargon - the Schwarzschild radius is 2GM/c^2. We could alternatively say that the "event horizon" is at 2GM/c^2.

And second radius is 3GM/c^2. (light ray at the second radius is not eaten but it circulate around black hole.)

That's known as the photon sphere. So we say, concisely, that the photon sphere is at 3GM/c^2.

We should probably mention something. When we say that the event horizon is at r=2GM/c^2, and the photon sphere is at r=3GM/c^2, we are giving the location of the event horizon and the photon sphere in terms of Schwarzschild coordinates. These are not distances. We are saying "The Schwarzschild r coordinate is such-and-such" not "the distance from the black hole is such-and-such" when we make the above statements.

But, let us assume that we have body which moves almost with speed of light.
1. Are these two radiuses the same or approximately the same?

For an observer moving along with the black hole, a co-moving observer, nothing changes if the black hole changes speed, as all speed is relative.

You probably want to ask "what sort of coordinate system would an observer moving relative to a black hole use".

Unfortunately, there isn't any obvious answer to this. In special relativity, we can transform to a moving frame of reference via the Lorentz transform.

In general relativity, we can't do this in general. So there's nothing like a "Lorentz boost" that we can do to change the Schwarzschild coordinates globally into "moving coordinates".While we can do a certain amount with performing a Lorentz boost on what is known as "frame fields", those do not apply globally, but only apply near the observer.
 
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I really wanted to know, if it is any difference between photon in gravitational field and elementary particle in gravitational field, which behaves almost similarly as photon this means its velocity is almost velocity of light.
I suppose that here is no difference.
This means: if we have particles with v =c/2, their "event horizon" and "photon sphere" (or "particle sphere") are 4 times larger. Is this true?

p.s.
Of course we have here electromagnetic waves and matter, not photons and elementary particles, which are from quantum mechanics, but the sentence is shorter.
 
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Related to : Comparing Radii of Black Hole & Fast Moving Bodies

1. How do black holes and fast moving bodies compare in size?

Black holes and fast moving bodies can vary greatly in size. Black holes are typically very small, with a radius of only a few kilometers, while fast moving bodies, such as planets or stars, can have radii ranging from a few thousand kilometers to millions of kilometers. However, it is important to note that the size of a black hole is determined by its event horizon, which is the point of no return for anything that enters it. This means that the actual size of a black hole may be much larger than its event horizon.

2. Can black holes and fast moving bodies be compared in terms of mass?

Yes, black holes and fast moving bodies can be compared in terms of mass. The mass of a black hole is directly related to its radius, with larger black holes having greater mass. Fast moving bodies also have mass, which can vary greatly depending on their size and composition. However, it is important to note that the mass of a black hole is concentrated in a very small area, while the mass of a fast moving body is spread out over a larger volume.

3. Do black holes and fast moving bodies have similar gravitational forces?

No, black holes and fast moving bodies have very different gravitational forces. The gravitational force of a black hole is extremely strong due to its immense mass being concentrated in a small area. This results in a very powerful gravitational pull that can even trap light. On the other hand, fast moving bodies have much weaker gravitational forces, as their mass is spread out over a larger area.

4. How do black holes and fast moving bodies interact with their surroundings?

Black holes and fast moving bodies interact with their surroundings in different ways. Black holes can pull matter and other objects towards them with their strong gravitational force, causing them to spiral towards the event horizon. Fast moving bodies, on the other hand, can also have a gravitational pull on other objects, but it is much weaker and typically only affects objects that are in close proximity.

5. Can black holes and fast moving bodies be observed and studied in the same way?

No, black holes and fast moving bodies are observed and studied in different ways. Fast moving bodies, such as planets and stars, can be observed and studied through telescopes and other instruments that detect light and other forms of electromagnetic radiation. However, black holes cannot be directly observed, as their strong gravitational pull prevents light from escaping. Instead, scientists study the effects of black holes on their surroundings, such as the movement of stars and gas, to learn more about them.

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