Combinatorics Homework: Counting Sequences from a Standard Deck of 52 Cards

In summary: I get it now. I'm supposed to multiply the result I obtained with ##\frac{8!}{3!3!2!}##In summary, there are a total of 123*205 different possible solutions to the problem, as determined by multiplying the number of solutions obtained with the subscripts 8!, 3! and 3!2! In summary, there are a total of 123*205 different possible solutions to the problem, as determined by multiplying the number of solutions obtained with the subscripts 8!, 3! and 3!2!
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Homework Statement



Eight cards are selected with replacement from a standard pack of 52 playing cards, with 12 picture cards, 20 odd cards, and 20 even cards.

(a) How many different sequences of eight cards are possible?

(b) How many of the sequences in part (a) will contain three picture cards, three odd cards and two even cards?2. The attempt at a solution

The first part is fairly straightforward. Given 8 available slots with 52 different choices for each slot, one can conclude that the number of different sequences of cards is 528.
I am, however, stumped by the second part.
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
stumped by the second part
Fix on one order, e.g. the order described, 3P, 3O, 2E. How many possibilities? Now how many rearrangements of that pattern amongst the 8 positions?
 
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haruspex said:
Fix on one order, e.g. the order described, 3P, 3O, 2E. How many possibilities? Now how many rearrangements of that pattern amongst the 8 positions?

My first attempt was the following:
There are 12 possibilities in the first slot, 12 in the second, 12 in the third, then 20 in each of the remaining 5 slots. Therefore, there are 123*205 different possibilities, which is wrong according to my answer key.
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
My first attempt was the following:
There are 12 possibilities in the first slot, 12 in the second, 12 in the third, then 20 in each of the remaining 5 slots. Therefore, there are 123*205 different possibilities, which is wrong according to my answer key.
That only covers one ordering of 3 "P"s, 3 "O"s and 2 "E"s (as letters). You must now consider how many sequences there are of such 8 letters.
 
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haruspex said:
That only covers one ordering of 3 "P"s, 3 "O"s and 2 "E"s (as letters). You must now consider how many sequences there are of such 8 letters.

Could you please elaborate?
Doesn't this cover sequences like ##O_1, O_2, O_2, P_1, E_6, P_2, E_4, E_4##?
 
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You've established how to get 3xP, 3xO and 2xE in that order (or in some fixed order). Now you have to arrange them into all possible orders. It's counting permutation with identical elements - 3 of one type, 3 of another and 2 of the last type.

[ I don't understand the subscripts in your preceding reply, incidentally, and you have 3 E's and only 2 P's ]
 
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MohammedRady97 said:
Could you please elaborate?
I could have explained my original suggestion more clearly.
The idea is to imagine you have also 8 placeholder cards that are only labelled as P, O or E; 3 Ps, 3 Os, 2 Es. This allows you to break the problem into two parts:
- how many ways are there of assigning actual cards to the first P, the second P, third P, first O etc?
- how many distinct ways are there of ordering the 8 placeholders?
 
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haruspex said:
I could have explained my original suggestion more clearly.
The idea is to imagine you have also 8 placeholder cards that are only labelled as P, O or E; 3 Ps, 3 Os, 2 Es. This allows you to break the problem into two parts:
- how many ways are there of assigning actual cards to the first P, the second P, third P, first O etc?
- how many distinct ways are there of ordering the 8 placeholders?

I get it now. I'm supposed to multiply the result I obtained with ##\frac{8!}{3!3!2!}##
Thanks!
 

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