Answer: 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds

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In summary, the conversation discusses the process of calculating the number of 10-card hands with exactly two 4-of-a-kinds, no pairs or 3-of-a-kinds, chosen from a standard 52-card deck. The final answer is found to be 68640 through different approaches, taking into account the combinations and permutations involved. The importance of considering order of draw and avoiding double counting is also mentioned.
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Homework Statement


How many 10-card hands are there chosen from a standard 52-card deck in which there are exactly two 4-of-a-kinds; no pairs or 3-of-a-kinds?

The Attempt at a Solution


if there are exactly 2 4 of a kinds that takes up 8 of the 10 cards in the hand and the remaining 2 must be of different kinds since there are no pairs. first we choose 2 kinds for the 4 of a kinds: 13C2 ways . now we have to make sure the last 2 cards are of different kinds so we pick 2 of the remaining 11 kinds: 11C2 ways. now for each of these kinds there are 4 ways to pick a card from them so 4x4 = 16.

the whole process is:
(13C2)(11C2)(16)

is this correct? I want to make sure I am not double counting anything
 
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Looks good; I got the same answer with the same reasoning before looking at your solution.
 
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By using a slightly different reasoning, I got ##{{13}\choose{2}}({{44}\choose{2}}-11{{4}\choose{2}})##
Both our results give 68640, so that looks promising.
 
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Another way to finish it off:

Once you have the two fours. The next card can be anything (44 cards) and the last card anything of a different kind (40 cards).
 
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PeroK said:
Another way to finish it off:

Once you have the two fours. The next card can be anything (44 cards) and the last card anything of a different kind (40 cards).
This doesn't work because you would double count. Order of the draw doesn't matter, so you have to divide by 2!.

$$16\frac{11!}{2!9!} = \frac{16*11*10}{2} = \frac{44*40}{2}$$
 
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Yes, that's what I meant!
 
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thanks everyone
 

Related to Answer: 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds

1. What is a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds?

A 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds is a poker hand that consists of 10 cards, with two sets of four cards of the same rank (known as four-of-a-kinds) and no pairs or three of a kinds. This is a very rare hand, as it requires a total of eight cards of the same rank and two different cards of another rank.

2. How does a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds compare to other poker hands?

A 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds is considered one of the strongest hands in poker, only beaten by a Royal Flush, Straight Flush, and four-of-a-kind with a higher rank. It is also stronger than a Full House, Flush, Straight, and three-of-a-kind.

3. What are the odds of getting a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds?

The odds of getting a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds are extremely low, with a probability of 0.000002% or 1 in 54,145,000 hands. This is due to the fact that it requires a specific combination of cards and a large number of them.

4. Can a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds be beaten?

As mentioned before, there are only three poker hands that can beat a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds, making it one of the strongest hands in the game. However, it is still possible for another player to have the same hand, in which case the pot would be split between the two players.

5. Is a 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds a good hand to play in poker?

A 10-Card Hand w/ 2 4-of-a-Kinds - No Pairs/3 of a Kinds is an incredibly strong hand in poker and should definitely be played. However, it is important to also consider the community cards and the actions of other players before deciding to bet or raise with this hand.

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