Okay, thanks! The other form didn't click to me, really nice!
Now, in my post, the first form using logarithm is referred to as "Perelman-like" as another related, but twisted problem was given in Yakov Perelman's Mathematics Is Fun. He refers a challenger in a congress of physicist in Odessa. I couldn't find further reference, so just named this after him. (a year ago when I found out this kind of approach is in general very doable for these problems)