Can the big rip ever be ruled out?

In summary, the Big Rip theory states that for it to occur, the dark energy equation of state w must be more negative than -1, allowing dark energy density to grow. This value is currently observed to be very close to -1, but there is insufficient evidence to disprove the theory. However, experiments have shown that the value of w cannot be forced to be exactly -1 and the earliest possible date for the Big Rip can be pushed further into the future. It is also important to note that increasing dark energy density does not necessarily violate the law of energy conservation, as this concept is complicated in general relativity. Other factors, such as a working theory of quantum gravity, could potentially rule out the Big Rip theory.
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In order for the big rip to happen, the dark energy equation of state w must be more negative than -1, allowing dark energy density to grow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip
According to Wikipedia, the current observed w value is very close to -1 but it acknowledges that there is insufficient evidence to strictly disprove the big rip
I read Katie Macks book called The End of Everything and inside it, she mentioned that all experiments have an error therefore we cannot force the value of w to be exactly -1. So we can push the big rips earliest date further into the future but not indefinitely far. So far the latest data assures that there will be no rips for the next 200 billion years according to the book.
But doesn't increasing dark energy density violate the law of energy conservation. There is no mechanism we know of that allows this.
 
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The actual value of ##w## might be greater than -1, in which case we might eventually exclude all ##w\leq-1## models. If the actual value of ##w## is exactly -1 then you are correct that we could not rule out the Big Rip from measurement of ##w## alone. Other discoveries could rule it out, of course. For example a working theory of quantum gravity might allow us to derive ##w## from more fundamental considerations.
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But doesn't increasing dark energy density violate the law of energy conservation. There is no mechanism we know of that allows this.
Conservation of energy is a complicated topic in general relativity. In the global sense that you are using it here, there's no way to state it - and since we can't state it no scenario violates it. And in the local sense where a conservation law can be stated quintessence doesn't violate it.

It's worth noting that there are ways of "kind of" stating a global energy conservation law in GR. Some physicists are convinced by these and some aren't - I don't know where your book stands on the topic. I don't understand the subject well enough to comment on whether the Big Rip violates any of these kinda-sorta-laws, but there are enough serious physicists who don't accept them at all that I'd say worrying about possible violations of global energy conservation is putting the cart before the horse. We need to agree (a) that there is such a law, and (b) what it is before we worry about whether a scenario violates it.
 
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As @Ibix has mentioned, if w is exactly -1 then experimental error will never allow you to rule out ##w < -1## (except by statistical errors - either systematic or random). This is true for any measured quantity with a particular value. Take the photon mass for example. It is zero in our models because that works very very well. However, experiments cannot rule out a teeny tiny mass ##< 10^{-18}## eV (pdg.lbl.gov).
 

1. What is the big rip theory?

The big rip theory is a hypothetical scenario in which the expansion of the universe accelerates to the point where it eventually tears apart all matter, including atoms, and the fabric of space itself.

2. How does the big rip differ from the big bang?

The big bang theory states that the universe began with a rapid expansion from a singularity, whereas the big rip theory suggests that the expansion will continue to accelerate and eventually lead to the destruction of the universe.

3. What evidence supports the possibility of a big rip?

The main evidence for the big rip theory comes from observations of the accelerating expansion of the universe, as well as the existence of dark energy, a mysterious force that is thought to be driving this acceleration.

4. Can the big rip ever be ruled out?

At this time, it is not possible to definitively rule out the possibility of a big rip. However, ongoing research and observations may provide more insight into the ultimate fate of the universe and potentially disprove the big rip theory.

5. What are some alternative theories to the big rip?

Some alternative theories to the big rip include the big freeze, in which the universe continues to expand and eventually reaches a state of maximum entropy, and the big crunch, in which the expansion of the universe eventually reverses and leads to a collapse. Other theories propose that the expansion of the universe will continue at a constant rate or eventually slow down and reach a state of equilibrium.

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