Calculating Force with Unequal Hand Distances

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In summary, if the pivot is not at the center of the bar, the hands will apply a couple to counter the torque and stop the bar from moving.
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Suppose you had a bar that spinned due to a torque load applied, but the pivot was not centered at exactly the middle of the bar. If you arrested the bar with your hands, obviously you are applying a couple to counter the torque to stop it from moving, but your hands are not at equal distances to where the torque load is. If you know the torque load, and the distance from the pivot to where your hands are, how do calculate the force each hand needs applies? If the pivot as at the center, the forces would be equal and the magnitude M/d. I think I'm over-thinking this...
 
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gomerpyle said:
If the pivot as at the center, the forces would be equal and the magnitude M/d.

You're arms aren't of equal strength so the forces won't necessarily be equal, even if you tried. The fact that one arm will be pushing and one pulling makes it even harder to try to apply equal force, regardless of any difference in lever arm length.
All you can say is that:
Ttotal = TLH + TRH = FLHrLH + FRHrRH
 
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and that's true even if the pivot is in the middle.
 
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Each hand will create its own moment: ##M_R = F_R r_R## and ##M_L = F_L r_L## and the total moment is ##M = M_R + M_L##. So you could stop the bar with only one hand if you wish.

The difference between a moment and a couple is that the couple have two equal and opposite forces separated by a distance ##d##. So if ##F_R = F_L = F##, then ##M = Fr_R + Fr_L = F(r_R + r_L) = Fd##.

The resultant moment from a couple is called a torque (##Fd##). The torque has the special property of being independent from the reference point. This means that if you create a couple with your hands that produces a torque equivalent to the bar torque, your hands could be on the same side of the bar and it will still stop the bar.

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Related to Calculating Force with Unequal Hand Distances

1. How do you calculate force with unequal hand distances?

To calculate force with unequal hand distances, you must first determine the distance between each hand and the object being pushed or pulled. Then, you can use the formula F = (m x a) to calculate the force, where F is the force, m is the mass of the object, and a is the acceleration.

2. What is the importance of taking into account unequal hand distances when calculating force?

Unequal hand distances can affect the distribution of force applied to an object, which can impact the accuracy of the calculation. By considering unequal hand distances, you can get a more precise measurement of the force being applied.

3. How does the direction of force impact the calculation with unequal hand distances?

The direction of force can have a significant impact on the calculation with unequal hand distances. If the force is applied at an angle, you will need to use trigonometry to determine the components of the force in the x and y directions before using the formula F = (m x a).

4. Can you use the same formula for calculating force with unequal hand distances for both pushing and pulling?

Yes, the same formula (F = (m x a)) can be used for both pushing and pulling, as long as the hand distances are taken into account and the direction of force is considered.

5. What are some real-life applications of calculating force with unequal hand distances?

Calculating force with unequal hand distances is important in a variety of real-life situations, such as weightlifting, sports, and construction. It can also be used in designing tools and equipment to ensure that the force is distributed evenly and efficiently.

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