Autonomous polynomial differential equation

In summary, the conversation is about whether it is possible to find a general solution for a 3rd degree polynomial differential equation and the limitations of different methods in finding the solution. It is mentioned that most first order differential equations cannot be solved in the form x(t)= a function of t and the best that can be expected is an implicit formula connecting x and t. The conversation also touches on the fact that the solutions of differential equations do not depend on the method used and that many ODEs do not have solutions that can be expressed using elementary functions. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexity of finding solutions for differential equations and the limitations of different methods in doing so.
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Homework Statement


Is it possible to find general solution for the following 3rd degree polynomial differential equation:
dx/dt=-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3

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The Attempt at a Solution


I understand that its is possible to integrate 1/(-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3), however, end equation that I get integrating directly has the form like - t=f(x)*ln(g(x)), where both f(x) and g(x) are polynomials. And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.
Are there any methods how this differential equation can be solved?
Thank you in advance!
 
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What, exactly, do you mean by solve? The fact is that most first order differential equations cannot be solved in the form x(t)= a function of t. The best you can expect is an implicit formula connecting x and t.
 
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I understand that its is possible to integrate 1/(-a1*x+a2*x^2+a3*x^3), however, end equation that I get integrating directly has the form like - t=f(x)*ln(g(x)), where both f(x) and g(x) are polynomials. And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.
Are there any methods how this differential equation can be solved?
The solutions of the differentiel equation doesn't depend of the method used to solve it. Any method will lead to the same final result as far as the developments are correct.
So, if a method leads to solutions t=f(x)*ln(g(x)) and if it is impossible to express x as a function of t on an expected form (generaly a combination of a finite number of standard functions), the hitch will be the same for the other methods.
 
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janet123 said:
And it is clear that from this it won't be possible to express x as a function of t.

That statement is true for almost every "random" differential equation you can write down.

Most ODEs don't even have solutions that can be expressed at all using "elementary" functions like logs, trig, etc. At least the solution of your equation can be written in the form t = F(x).

This situation is no different from the fact that you can't express the integral of most functions in a "simple" closed form.

In fact, if a differential equation is "interesting" enough, its solutions may have been given names so they can be written down easily. Often they are named after whoever first studied them - Bessel and Hankel functions, Legendre polynomials, Fresnel integrals, etc.
 
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Related to Autonomous polynomial differential equation

1. What is an autonomous polynomial differential equation?

An autonomous polynomial differential equation is a type of differential equation where the unknown variable, typically represented by x, and its derivatives are all raised to integer powers and are the only variables in the equation.

2. How do you solve an autonomous polynomial differential equation?

To solve an autonomous polynomial differential equation, you can use techniques such as separation of variables, substitution, or the method of undetermined coefficients. It is also common to use numerical methods or computer software to find approximate solutions.

3. What is the order of an autonomous polynomial differential equation?

The order of an autonomous polynomial differential equation is the highest derivative present in the equation. For example, if the equation contains only first-order derivatives, it is a first-order equation, and if it contains second-order derivatives, it is a second-order equation.

4. Can an autonomous polynomial differential equation have multiple solutions?

Yes, an autonomous polynomial differential equation can have multiple solutions. This is because the equation may have different initial conditions or constants of integration, resulting in different solutions. In some cases, the equation may also have a general solution that includes multiple solutions within it.

5. What are some real-life applications of autonomous polynomial differential equations?

Autonomous polynomial differential equations have various applications in science and engineering, such as modeling physical systems, predicting population growth, and analyzing chemical reactions. They are also used in economics, biology, and other fields to study dynamic systems and make predictions about their behavior.

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