Argument for the Existence of God

In summary, the conversation explores the argument for the existence of God, with one person sharing a link and the other discussing evidence for the beginning of the universe and their thoughts on intelligent design and fine-tuning arguments. They also express their frustration with the presentation and methods of those advocating for intelligent design. The conversation ends with a comment on the use of the word "existence" in this context.
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UrbanXrisis
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"Argument for the Existence of God"

I find this very interesting and humorous:
http://members.cox.net/wwcw/godexists.html#bot1

any thoughs?

Did the Universe Begin?
There's quite a lot of evidence that the universe did have a beginning. From background radiation to the fact that the universe is expanding. The Space-Time Theorem of General Relativity (Hawking, Penrose) states that time and matter came into existence at the same moment, at the Big Bang.

So the beginning of the universe is hardly refuted among scientists, though some try to get around it by using wild speculation. that is wholly without evidence.
 
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In that quote, he is simply arguing that the universe came to be during the big bang. Although not as widely accepted as it once was, it isn't at all unreasonable. Also I don't see anything about God in the quote.
 
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Well, I certainly can't fault them for trying to inform people about what they apparently believe is the truth. However, I think their methods are reprehensible, their presentation is not an argument, and, while neither may be their fault entirely, as they deride others for giving "completely fabricated explanations" they should hold themselves to the same standard and not misrepresent their own knowledge, the positions of others, or facts of record or observation. It is a shame but nothing new.

By the way, does the following make any sense to anyone else? No, I didn't edit it; It is an entire line of reasoning.
Some might say that claiming fine-tuning after the fact is invalid, but that is not the case here. Imagine if you faced a firing squad of 100 experienced marksmen at 10 yards who all missed you. Would you then say, "I don't find it at all odd that they missed"? Of course not, you would assume that they meant to miss.

Happy thoughts,
Rachel
 
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The ID arguments have lots of problems. The fine tuning arguments are mostly bogus. There is only a very tiny spot in space and time where life is possible. Take that as evidence that the universe was not "created for life". One generally finds that different places have different conditions. Thus there are many "trials" of physical variables making rare occurences quite likely.
If you see problems that you can't solve try asking the right questions, not questions that appeal to some psychological problem.
 
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If it makes them happy that's all good but I think the word 'existence' is misleading and pointless.
 

Related to Argument for the Existence of God

1. What is the Argument for the Existence of God?

The Argument for the Existence of God is a philosophical and theological argument that seeks to prove the existence of a higher being or deity. It is based on the idea that the complexity and order of the universe cannot be explained by natural causes alone, and therefore, must have been created by a divine being.

2. What are the main arguments used to support the existence of God?

There are several main arguments used to support the existence of God, including the Cosmological Argument, the Teleological Argument, and the Moral Argument. The Cosmological Argument states that everything in the universe has a cause, and there must be a first cause, which is God. The Teleological Argument, also known as the Argument from Design, asserts that the complexity and order in the universe point to an intelligent designer, which is God. The Moral Argument argues that the existence of objective moral values and duties can only be explained by the existence of a moral lawgiver, which is God.

3. What are the criticisms of the Argument for the Existence of God?

One of the main criticisms of the Argument for the Existence of God is the problem of evil. If God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, why is there evil and suffering in the world? Another criticism is that the argument relies on assumptions and does not provide concrete evidence for the existence of God. Additionally, there are different interpretations and versions of the argument, which can lead to inconsistencies and contradictions.

4. Can the Argument for the Existence of God be proven or disproven?

The Argument for the Existence of God is a philosophical and theological argument and therefore cannot be proven or disproven using scientific methods. It is ultimately a matter of personal belief and faith. Some may find the arguments convincing and believe in the existence of God, while others may find them unconvincing and reject the idea of a deity.

5. Are there alternative explanations for the complexity and order of the universe?

Yes, there are alternative explanations for the complexity and order of the universe, such as the multiverse theory, which suggests that our universe is just one of many universes in a larger multiverse. There is also the possibility of natural causes and processes that can explain the complexity and order of the universe without the need for a divine being. Ultimately, the existence of God is a matter of personal belief and cannot be proven or disproven definitively.

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