A few questions about size and shape

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In summary, the conversation discusses the peculiar results that arise when science combines observations with common sense regarding the infinite nature of the universe. The possibility of a multiverse theory is also considered, as well as the lack of a horizon in the universe and what this means for its shape. The conversation also touches on the concept of direct proof in science and the limitations of our current understanding of the universe's geometry and topology.
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When science makes observations on the universe and combines those observations with common sense, at least for me it generates extremely peculiar results. For example if the universe is infinite, does this exclude the 'multiverse theory'? After all if an object is infinite, then that object is the outer most layer of something which can exist. A football and a baseball cannot both be infinite at the same time. If our universe is infinite, then everything which exists MUST be inside of our universe.

Secondly, observation tells us that the universe doesn't have an arc or 'horizon' so does this not support an infinite, shapeless universe?

I understand that science cannot publish anything without direct unequivocal proof but what constitutes as direct proof in the case of whether the universe is infinite or not? What are we looking for? What do we need to discover or know in order for a concrete scientifically backed answer?

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Space-time geometry is essentially an energy-density distribution relation, its a comparison of the universes actual density to its critical density. You can find the details here

http://cosmology101.wikidot.com/universe-geometry
page 2 is here

http://cosmology101.wikidot.com/geometry-flrw-metric/.

as far as multiverse theories goes an infinite universe does not preclude the possibility of a multiverse.

an infinite universe can be divided an infinite number of times and each universe can also be infinite.
multi-verse theories are at best sketchy though. There are so many theories, proposals etc that a straight answer cannot be given that would be accurate.
 
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Secondly, observation tells us that the universe doesn't have an arc or 'horizon' so does this not support an infinite, shapeless universe?
These observations pertain to the observable universe; we cannot extrapolate the apparent flatness of the local universe globally.

I understand that science cannot publish anything without direct unequivocal proof but what constitutes as direct proof in the case of whether the universe is infinite or not? What are we looking for? What do we need to discover or know in order for a concrete scientifically backed answer?
Science never proves anything. All we can do is assemble evidence that either falsifies or helps corroborates hypotheses. As for whether the universe is infinite or not, science simply doesn't know. All we can access observationally is a (likely) small part of what's out there. There have been some studies searching for the characteristics of a topologically closed (and hence finite) universe, but these have been inconclusive. For now, we must content ourselves with a limited understanding of the global geometry and topology of the universe.
 

Related to A few questions about size and shape

1. What is the difference between size and shape?

Size refers to the physical dimensions of an object, such as length, width, and height. Shape, on the other hand, refers to the physical appearance or form of an object, such as round, square, or triangular.

2. Can an object have the same size but different shapes?

Yes, an object can have the same size but different shapes. For example, a square and a circle can both have a diameter of 10cm, but their shapes are different.

3. How does size and shape affect the properties of an object?

The size and shape of an object can affect its properties in various ways. For instance, the surface area of an object increases with its size, which can affect its ability to absorb or reflect heat. The shape of an object can also affect its strength and stability.

4. Can we change the size and shape of an object?

Yes, the size and shape of an object can be changed through various processes such as cutting, molding, or stretching. These changes can be intentional, as in manufacturing, or unintentional, as in natural processes like erosion.

5. How do scientists measure the size and shape of an object?

Scientists use various tools and techniques to measure the size and shape of objects. These can include rulers, calipers, micrometers, and 3D scanners. They may also use mathematical formulas and equations to calculate the size and shape of objects.

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