Using four-vectors in derivations and proofs

In summary: I believe so. In summary, my professor keeps using four-vectors in derivations and proofs, but he hasn't developed the theory behind them; that is he's only shown us how to manipulate them. The text were using doesn't use them. Does anyone know of a book that gives a clear exposition for them? hasn't developed the theory behind them
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I'm taking a first course in modern physics and were currently discussing special relativity. My professor keeps using four-vectors in derivations and proofs, and requires us to use them, but he hasn't developed the theory behind them; that is he's only showed us how to manipulate them. The text were using doesn't use them. Does anyone know of a book that gives a clear exposition for them?
 
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hasn't developed the theory behind them

You say you already have an algebraic understanding, and that is most of what is there. It sounds like you are interested in geometry. I recommend the books on spacetime and special relativity by John Wheeler.
 
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hmmm,, Thanks Crosson, I'll have to check that out.
I basically know the components and the "weird dot product" operation, But I don't understand why the first component is ct and not just t. I also don't understand the Lorentz interval (If I'm referring to the right thing) and what it represents physically. Also when taking the derivative to get the velocity or acceleration, as well as deriving the momentum seem fuzzy. I guess overall I don't see what they represent, and what they're used for. I guess an analogy would be like learning a definite integral, but not being shown that it is a limit of sums.
 
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Well, I'd say that the first thing to do is to understand the Lorentz interval, that's the most fundamental thing. Taylor & Wheeler's book should help a lot.

But for a really quick explanation, the Lorentz interval of any light beam is zero. To see this, the distance a light beam moves is sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2), by the pythagorean theorem, and the time it takes to move that distance is the distance /c.

Writing t = sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2)/c, we can manipulate it this through some algebra and say that

(ct)^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2, thus x^2 + y^2 + z^2 - (c*t)^2 = 0 for any light beam.

So, saying that the Lorentz interval is constant for any observer implies that the speed of light is constant for any observer, because the Lorentz interval of any light beam is always zero.

It turns out that the Lorentz interval is constant for any observer in cases where the Lorentz interval is non-zero as well as in cases where it is zero. My view is that this is just something that you have to learn and accept, but perhaps the additional discussion in a textbook will help you to do that. Note that time and distance are not constant for all observers - only the Lorentz interval does that job, so that makes it very important.
 
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There's a relativity forum here, by the way... just scroll down the forum listing a bit. I'll just tackle one of your questions here.

JFo said:
But I don't understand why the first component is ct and not just t.

It makes the units consistent among all four components of the time-position four-vector, and it makes the space-time interval ("distance") between two events invariant under a Lorentz transformation.
 
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Thank you all for your responses, that helps... I didn't see the special relativity forum but I've spotted it now,, thanks.
 
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by the way crosson and pervect, is this the book your referring?
 
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Related to Using four-vectors in derivations and proofs

1. What are four-vectors and how are they used in derivations and proofs?

Four-vectors are mathematical objects that have four components: three spatial components and one time component. They are commonly used in physics to describe the position, motion, and energy of a particle in four-dimensional space-time. In derivations and proofs, four-vectors are used to simplify calculations and express physical laws and equations in a concise and elegant manner.

2. How do four-vectors relate to special relativity?

In special relativity, space and time are considered to be part of a single entity called space-time. Four-vectors are used to describe the position and motion of objects in this four-dimensional space-time. They also play a crucial role in understanding the effects of time dilation and length contraction, which are fundamental principles of special relativity.

3. Can four-vectors be used in non-relativistic contexts?

Yes, four-vectors can also be used in non-relativistic contexts, such as in classical mechanics. In these cases, the time component of the four-vector is just a constant and the spatial components correspond to the position and momentum of the object. Four-vectors are particularly useful when dealing with systems that involve multiple particles and interactions.

4. How are four-vectors manipulated and operated on in calculations?

Four-vectors follow specific rules when being manipulated and operated on in calculations. For example, the four-vector addition is done by adding the components of two four-vectors separately, and the dot product of two four-vectors is calculated by multiplying the corresponding components and then adding them together. These rules ensure that the resulting four-vector is Lorentz invariant, meaning it has the same value in all inertial reference frames.

5. Are there any limitations or drawbacks to using four-vectors in derivations and proofs?

While four-vectors are a powerful and elegant tool in physics, there are some limitations to their use. They are only applicable in special relativity and cannot be used in general relativity, as the concept of space-time changes in this theory. Additionally, they may not be suitable for describing systems with strong gravitational fields or interactions at the quantum level.

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