The interpretation of noether currents in scalar QED

In summary, in scalar QED, there are two Noether currents ##J_{global}## and ##J_{local}## corresponding to global and local gauge transformations respectively. These currents are different in scalar QED. The global symmetries lead to conserved quantities that are conserved on-shell, while the local symmetries lead to quantities that are conserved off-shell. However, in the quantum theory, the physical conserved charges are derived from the global symmetries. In the free field case, the solution to the KG equation allows us to find the conserved charge, but in the interacting case, there is an additive renormalization of the current that must be taken into account. The details of this are discussed
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In scalar QED, there are two noether currents ##J_{global}## and ##J_{local}##corresponding to the global and local gauge transformations respectively.
In QED, the two currents are exactly the same. But in scalar QED, they are totally different.
$$J_{global}^\mu=i e (\phi^\dagger \partial^\mu\phi-\phi\partial^\mu\phi^\dagger)$$ and
$$J_{local}^\mu=i e (\phi^\dagger D^\mu\phi-\phi D^\mu\phi^\dagger)$$
where ##D^\mu## is covariant derivative. So my question is how to interpret these two quantities? which one represents the charge of the scalar field?
 
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It is the global symmetries that lead to the conserved quantities in a theory. The local symmetries don't define new conserved quantities. Heuristically, this is a consequence of the notion that gauge symmetries indicate a redundancy in the degrees of freedom being used to describe the physics.

In more detail, we can note that, in order to derive conserved quantities from the global symmetries, we typically must use the equations of motion. So we can say that they lead to quantities which are conserved on-shell. This is the content of Noether's first theorem. The local symmetries lead to quantities that are conserved without imposing the equations of motion, so we can say that these are off-shell conserved quantities. These results are contained in what's called Noether's second theorem. For a brief and clear review, you might look at http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0009058.

However, the physical quantities in a quantum theory are precisely the on-shell observables. So the physical conserved charges are the ones that we compute from Noether's first theorem on global symmetries. The charges computed from the local symmetries will in any case correspond to these when placed on-shell.

In the present case, we can see the effect of placing the currents on-shell by computing the expectation value in some physical state describing the system. In a quantum mechanical system, we have to do this anyway in order to derive an observable quantity. In order for a quantity like ##\langle \alpha | \mathcal{O} | \alpha \rangle## to be nonvanishing, we must have equal numbers of creation and annihilation operators, so ##\mathcal{O}## must contain an even number of free fields. In particular, a quantity like ##\langle \alpha |\phi^\dagger A^\mu \phi | \alpha\rangle =0##, so we can see that ##\langle \alpha |J_{local}^\mu - J_{global}^\mu | \alpha\rangle =0##. Therefore ##J_{local}^\mu## leads to the same conserved charge as ##J_{global}^\mu##.
 
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fzero said:
so we can see that ##\langle \alpha |J_{local}^\mu - J_{global}^\mu | \alpha\rangle =0##. Therefore ##J_{local}^\mu## leads to the same conserved charge as ##J_{global}^\mu##.

Thanks a lot. Your reply is really informative.
Another question is : in the free field case, one can find the solution to KG equation and then ##Q=\int d x^3 J^0=N^{+}-N^{-}##. So for the interaction case, can we do the same thing? this is not evident since the solution is quite complicated.
 
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karlzr said:
Thanks a lot. Your reply is really informative.
Another question is : in the free field case, one can find the solution to KG equation and then ##Q=\int d x^3 J^0=N^{+}-N^{-}##. So for the interaction case, can we do the same thing? this is not evident since the solution is quite complicated.

In the interacting case, the global symmetry implies a Ward identity that prevents the multiplicative renormalization of the current. It turns out that there is actually an additive renormalization of the current if the photon is massless. The Ward identity is generally discussed in most QFT textbooks, but both it and the additive renormalization are discussed in the paper http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0512187. I think the discussion there is fairly brief and clear, but still a bit too detailed to succinctly summarize here.
 

Related to The interpretation of noether currents in scalar QED

1. What are Noether currents in scalar QED?

Noether currents in scalar QED refer to the conserved quantities that arise from the symmetry of the Lagrangian in quantum electrodynamics with a scalar field. These currents are related to the conservation of energy, momentum, and charge in the system.

2. How are Noether currents interpreted in scalar QED?

In scalar QED, the Noether currents are interpreted as the quantum counterparts of classical conserved currents. They represent the flow of energy, momentum, and charge through space and time in the quantum system.

3. What is the significance of Noether currents in scalar QED?

The existence of Noether currents in scalar QED is significant because they provide a link between the symmetries of the system and the conservation laws. This allows for a deeper understanding of the underlying structure and behavior of the system.

4. How are Noether currents calculated in scalar QED?

Noether currents in scalar QED can be calculated using the Noether's theorem, which states that for every continuous symmetry of the Lagrangian, there exists a conserved current associated with it. These currents can be expressed in terms of the fields and their derivatives.

5. Can Noether currents be observed in experiments?

While Noether currents cannot be directly observed in experiments, their effects can be observed through the conservation laws they represent. For example, the conservation of charge can be observed through the conservation of electric current in a circuit or the conservation of energy and momentum can be observed in particle collisions.

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