Solving Cable Balance for T0 and T1

In summary, the tension in the middle of the cable is zero, and the tension at the end of the cable is equal to the weight of the cable.
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wah31
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Here is a solution for the following case. Do you agree with ? Thank you in advance for your answer

The question is to give the values of T0 T1 and d in terms of g', L and G in these 2 cases:
1. g'=0
2. g‘ ≠ 0

See attached file..



Proposition:
Cable balance (without counterweight):


The y coordinate (height) of any point in terms of the horizontal force :
y = Th / g’ ∙ (cosh (g’ ∙ x / Th) - 1)


The cable length from origin (center):
s = Th / g’ ∙ sinh(g’ ∙ x / Th)


The total cable length:
S = (2Th / g’) ∙ sinh (g’ ∙ L / 2Th)


The cable span:
L = (2Th / g’) ∙ arcsinh (S ∙ g’/ 2Th)


The horizontal force :
Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)
This tension is constant over the entire length of the cable.


The vertical force :
Tv = g’ ∙ S / 2
This tension increases with the height (from the center to the end of the cable)


The minimum tension is, of course, Th, at the center point where the cable doesn't support any of it's own weight.Cable balance (with counterweight)

1. g’ = 0

Tension in the middle of the cable T0
Th = 0
Tv = G


T0 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5 = G


Tension at the end of the cable T1
Th = 0
Tv = G


T1 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5 = G


2. g‘ ≠ 0


Tension in the middle of the cable T0
Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)
Tv = G


T0 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5
T0 = [(g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)]2 + G2]0.5

Tension at the end of the cable T1
Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)
Tv = g’ ∙ S / 2 + G


T1 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5
T1 = [(g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)]2 + (g’ ∙ S / 2 + G)2]0.5
 

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  • #2
If T1 is not equal to G, what will happen?

Is g' the weight per unit length of the rope? Please explain where your starting equations come from. Did you derive these or are you taking them as standard?
 
  • #3
That’s right, g’ is the cable weight per unit length

I think G is there to balance the cable weight i.e. the vertical component of tension Tv

These equations come from the catenary principle, have a look below:
http://home.earthlink.net/~w6rmk/math/catenary.htm
 
  • #4
wah31 said:
I think G is there to balance the cable weight i.e. the vertical component of tension Tv
When a rope passes over a stationary, frictionless pulley, what is the usual relationship between the tension on the one side and the tension on the other?
 
  • #5
It is the same ..
You mean that T1 is equal to G?
 
  • #6
wah31 said:
It is the same ..
You mean that T1 is equal to G?
Yes.
 
  • #7
Now if I summarize we get:

For g’ = 0


Tension in the middle of the cable T0

Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)=0

Tv = g’ ∙ S / 2 =0

T0 = 0

Tension at the end of the cable T1

Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)=0

Tv = G

T1 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5 = G

For g‘ ≠ 0

Tension in the middle of the cable T0

Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)

Tv = 0

T0 = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)

Tension at the end of the cable T1

Th = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)

Tv = g’ ∙ S / 2

T1 = (Th2 + Tv2)0.5 =G

T1 = [(g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)]2 + (g’ ∙ S / 2 )2]0.5 = G

Is that correct ?
 
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You are getting nonsense answers for the easy case, g'=0. How can the tension in the middle be zero?
I think you are using equations that don't allow for a source of tension other than the weight of the cable.

In theother case, you have S in the answer. You need to eliminate that.
 
  • #9
I tried another approach that I believe is the right (see attached file):

For g’ = 0


Tension in the middle of the cable T0
H = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)=0
V = G (the cable doesn't support any of it's own weight)
T0 = G

Tension at the end of the cable T1
H = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)=0
V = G
T1 = G

It means that the tension is the same over the entire length of the cable (=G)

For g‘ ≠ 0


Tension in the middle of the cable T0
H = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)
V = 0 (the cable doesn't support any of it's own weight)
T0 = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)

Tension at the end of the cable T1
H = (g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)
V = g’ ∙ S / 2
T1 = (H2 + V2)0.5 = G

T1 = [(g’ / 8d) ∙ (S2 – 4d2)]2 + (g’ ∙ S / 2 )2]0.5 = G

Now I need actually to eliminate S and present equations in terms of L ?

Do you have an idea ?
 

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Related to Solving Cable Balance for T0 and T1

1. What is cable balance?

Cable balance refers to the equal distribution of tension, or pulling force, in a cable system. This is important for the stability and safety of the system, as well as for efficient operation.

2. Why is it necessary to solve for T0 and T1 in cable balance?

T0 and T1 are the tension forces at the two endpoints of a cable system. Solving for these forces ensures that the cable is properly tensioned and balanced, preventing excess stress or slack in the system.

3. How is cable balance calculated?

Cable balance is typically calculated using the principles of statics, which take into account the weight and geometry of the cable, as well as any external forces acting on it. This calculation involves setting up and solving equations to determine the tension forces at each point along the cable.

4. What factors can affect cable balance?

There are several factors that can affect cable balance, including the weight and length of the cable, the angle at which it is suspended, and any external forces or loads acting on the system. Changes in these factors can alter the tension forces and therefore impact cable balance.

5. How can cable balance be maintained?

Cable balance can be maintained by regularly monitoring the tension forces in the system and making adjustments as needed. This may involve redistributing weight or adjusting the angle of the cable. It is also important to ensure that the cable is designed and installed properly to begin with, following industry standards and guidelines.

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