How Does Work Done Compare in Isothermal and Adiabatic Expansion of Gases?

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving an ideal monatomic gas expanding quasi-statically to twice its volume, with a given work done for both isothermal and adiabatic processes. It is shown that the work done for the adiabatic process is less than the work done for the isothermal process. The conversation also touches on the definitions of \gamma and C_p - C_v, and finding the antiderivative of V^{-\gamma} in order to solve the problem. The conversation concludes with a suggestion to draw a Pressure versus Volume diagram to better understand the concept.
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I've been trying to tackle the following problem, but I can't seem to get it right.
An ideal monatomic gas expands quasi-statically to twice its volume. If the process is isothermal, the work done by the gas is W_i. If the process is adiabatic, the work doen by the gas is W_a. Show that 0 < W_a < W_i.
For isothermal processes I have
[tex]
W_i = \int_{v_i}^{v_f} \frac{nRT}{V}dV = nRT ln(2)
[/tex]
For adiabatic processes I have
[tex]
W_a = k \int_{v_i}^{v_f} \frac{dV}{V^{\gamma}}
[/tex]
Where do go from this point?
 
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dimensionless said:
I've been trying to tackle the following problem, but I can't seem to get it right.
An ideal monatomic gas expands quasi-statically to twice its volume. If the process is isothermal, the work done by the gas is W_i. If the process is adiabatic, the work doen by the gas is W_a. Show that 0 < W_a < W_i.
For isothermal processes I have
[tex]W_i = \int_{v_i}^{v_f} \frac{nRT}{V}dV = nRT ln(2)
[/tex]
For adiabatic processes I have
[tex]
W_a = k \int_{v_i}^{v_f} \frac{dV}{V^{\gamma}}
[/tex]
Where do go from this point?
What is the antiderivative of:

[tex]\frac{1}{V^{\gamma}} = V^{-\gamma}[/tex]?

Also: [itex]k = P_iV_i^\gamma[/itex]

What is the maximum value of [itex]\gamma[/itex] ?

AM
 
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I've got [tex]\gamma = C_p/C_v[/tex] written down as the only definition for [tex]\gamma[/tex].

I don't know of any alternative for [tex]V^{-\gamma}[/tex].
 
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dimensionless said:
I've got [tex]\gamma = C_p/C_v[/tex] written down as the only definition for [tex]\gamma[/tex].
But what is the maximum value it can have? What is the minimum value of [itex]C_v[/itex]? What is [itex]C_p - C_v[/itex]?

I don't know of any alternative for [tex]V^{-\gamma}[/tex].
That's ANTI-DERIVATIVE. What is the function F(x) such that [itex]F'(x) = x^n[/itex]?

AM
 
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I've got [tex]C_p - C_v = \frac{5}{2}R-\frac{3}{2}R=R[/tex]
and [tex]V^{-\gamma} = -\gamma V^{-\gamma-1} dV[/tex]

I've worked this out but I get [tex] 0 < W_i < W_a[/tex] instead of [tex] 0 < W_a < W_i[/tex] for an answer.
 
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dimensionless said:
I've got [tex]C_p - C_v = \frac{5}{2}R-\frac{3}{2}R=R[/tex]
and [tex]V^{-\gamma} = -\gamma V^{-\gamma-1} dV[/tex]
?? How do you figure that?

The antiderivative of [itex]V^{-\gamma}[/itex] is: [itex]\frac{1}{-\gamma +1}V^{-\gamma + 1}[/itex]

[tex]\int_{V_i}^{V_f}\frac{dV}{V^\gamma} = K\left(\frac{V_f^{-\gamma + 1} - V_i^{-\gamma + 1}}{-\gamma + 1}\right)[/tex]

Use the fact that the minimum value of C_v = 3R/2 and [itex]-\gamma + 1 = 1 - \gamma = -(C_p - C_v)/C_v[/itex] to work out the inequality.

AM
 
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Do this:

For the first process , the isothermal one , we know for an ideal gas :

[itex]PV = K[/itex]

Draw the Pressure versus Volume diagram for the first process (isothermal) , with values as per given in the question.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

For the second process , draw the Pressure versus Volume diagram , you know that for an adibatic change:

[itex]PV^(\gamma) = K[/itex]

Take P_1 and P_2 for both the processes to be the same.

Because you know area under PV graph gives the work done. You would find that because of the factor "gamma" for adiabatic process , it will have a steeper slope in the graph and thus lesser area as compared to that of isothermal process.

BJ
 

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