Canonical Transformation / Poisson Brackets

In summary: The transformation is canonical.In summary, the conversation is about showing that a given transformation is canonical and finding a generating function for the transformation. The transformation is one-dimensional and its Poisson Brackets' identities reduce to a single relevant expression. The calculation shows that the transformation is not canonical for a general a, but the only value of a for which it is canonical is a = 1. The second part of the problem could also be easily solved by assuming a = 1. The conversation ends with an acknowledgement of a simple derivation mistake and the conclusion that the transformation is indeed canonical.
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Question:

(A) Show that the following transformation is a canonical transformation:
[itex]Q = p + aq[/itex]
[itex]P = (p - aq)/(2a)[/itex]

(B) Find a generating functions for this transformation.


Attempt of Solution:
Alright, so this seems to be a very straight forward problem. Transformations are canonical if their Poisson Brackets satisfy:

[itex][P_{\alpha},Q_{\beta}]_{PB} = -\delta_{\alpha\beta}[/itex]
[itex][Q_{\alpha},Q_{\beta}]_{PB} = 0[/itex] and
[itex][P_{\alpha},P_{\beta}]_{PB} = 0[/itex]

For the given problem the system is one-dimensional, so the Poisson Brackets' identities reduce to a single relevant expression:

[itex][P,Q]_{PB} = -1[/itex]

We can now calculate this Poisson Bracket explicitly since we were given the transformation connecting the variables [itex]Q[/itex], [itex]P[/itex], [itex]q[/itex] and [itex]p[/itex]. The calculation is shown below:

[itex][P,Q]_{PB} = \frac{\partial P}{\partial q}\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p} - \frac{\partial Q}{\partial q}\frac{\partial P}{\partial p} = -\frac{1}{2}a - a\frac{1}{2a}[/itex]

[itex]\therefore[/itex] [itex][P,Q]_{PB} = \frac{a}{2} - \frac{1}{2}[/itex]

Comments and Issues:
It is clear from this calculation that the transformation is not canonical for a general [itex]a[/itex], since the result of the Poisson Bracket is not [itex]-1[/itex]. In fact, the only value of [itex]a[/itex] for which the transformation would be canonical is [itex]a = 1[/itex].

Now, the problem is that the question doesn't mention anything about finding the value of [itex]a[/itex] for which the transformation is canonical, it simply asks the student to show that the transformation is canonical. So I am not sure whether there is something wrong with my solution or the problem statement is formulated in an ambiguous.

The second part of the problem could also be easily solved if one assumes [itex]a = 1[/itex], otherwise - according to my solution - it would be impossible to find a generating function for a general [itex]a[/itex] since in that case the transformation would not even canonical to begin with.

Any thoughts or comments on this issue would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you very much guys!
Zag
 
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##\frac{\partial Q}{\partial p}= 1 \neq a##

The transformation is canonical.
 
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  • #3
Nice! Thanks Orodruin, I indeed mixed my partial derivative results there. It works now! :)
 
  • #4
it's simple derivation's mistake
 
  • #5
ros.

Hi Zagros, thank you for your attempt at solving this problem. Your solution is correct in terms of showing that the transformation is not canonical for a general a. However, as you mentioned, the question does not specify a value for a, so it is possible that there may be a typo or ambiguity in the problem statement. It would be best to clarify this with your instructor or the person who assigned you this problem.

Regarding the second part, you are correct that finding a generating function for a general a would be impossible since the transformation is not canonical in that case. So it is possible that the question meant to ask for a generating function for a = 1.

In any case, it is important to clarify the problem statement to ensure that you are solving the correct problem. Good job on your solution!
 

Related to Canonical Transformation / Poisson Brackets

1. What is a canonical transformation?

A canonical transformation is a mathematical transformation that preserves the equations of motion in a dynamical system. In other words, it is a transformation of the coordinates and momenta of a system that does not change the underlying physical laws governing the system.

2. Why are canonical transformations important?

Canonical transformations are important because they allow us to simplify and analyze complex dynamical systems. By transforming the coordinates and momenta of a system, we can often find new sets of variables that make the equations of motion easier to solve or understand.

3. What are Poisson brackets?

Poisson brackets are a mathematical tool used to describe the dynamics of a system in terms of its canonical coordinates and momenta. They are defined as the commutator of two functions of the coordinates and momenta, and they represent the rate of change of one variable with respect to another in the system.

4. How are canonical transformations related to Poisson brackets?

Canonical transformations and Poisson brackets are intimately related. A canonical transformation is said to be canonical if it preserves the Poisson brackets of the original system. In other words, the equations of motion in the new coordinates and momenta must have the same form as the original equations of motion, but expressed in terms of the new variables.

5. What are some applications of canonical transformations and Poisson brackets?

Canonical transformations and Poisson brackets have many applications, both in physics and mathematics. They are commonly used in classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and statistical mechanics to simplify and analyze complex systems. They also have applications in fields such as differential geometry, control theory, and symplectic geometry.

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