Work-Energy Theorem problem

In summary, the conversation is discussing a problem involving a pulley system and using the Work-Energy Theorem to calculate the coefficient of kinetic friction between two blocks. The equations used to attempt to solve the problem are mentioned and it is explained that friction is not the only force doing work on the system. The correct equation for the Work-Energy Theorem is stated and it is suggested to consider the loss of potential energy in addition to kinetic energy. The question of how to solve for the work of tension is raised.
  • #1
jackthehat
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Homework Statement


Hi everyone,
I have a problem that has me stumped and would appreciate some pointers as to where I am going wrong and maybe point me in the right direction for solving the problem.
The problem is in essence to use the "Work-Energy Theorem" to find the co-efficient of kinetic friction in a pulley system.

Problem - We have an 8.00 kg-block on flat horizontal tabletop attached via a rope and pulley to a hanging 6.00 kg-block. The rope and pulley have negligible mass and the pulley is friction-less. Initially the 6.00 kg-block is moving downward and the 8.00 kg-block is moving to the right, both with a speed of 0.900 m/s. The blocks come to rest after moving 2.00 meters.

Use the Work-Energy Theorem to calculate the coefficient of Kinetic friction between the 8.00 kg-block and the tabletop.

Homework Equations


Main equations I used to attempt to solve this problem were ..
Work = Change in Kinetic energy
Work = Force x Distance (for a constant force)
I used these separately for each of the masses (blocks) connected by the pulley system.


The Attempt at a Solution


Basically I used the two main equations of the Work-Energy Theorem to try to solve this. I first calculated the Work used in moving each block using the difference in kinetic energy over the distance traveled that is ...
W= K(2) - K(1) = 1/2 mv(2) sqrd - 1/2 mv(1) sqrd for each block, and since both blocks come to rest, each of the equations above reduce to just 1/2mv(1) sqrd for each block.
I then took the difference in the values for the work each block expended to be the work expended by friction force.
Now since (for a constant force) WORK also equals Force x distance, I equated the Work difference above to be equal to the work expended by the Kinetic Friction Force.
And so Work difference = Work(Friction force)=Kinetic friction x distance moved.
From my calculations I got W(8kg-block)=3.24 J, W(6kg-block)=2.43 J giving difference of 0.81 J as the Work of Friction force.
Now since W=f x distance then f=w/distance =0.81/2.0 = 0.405 J
I now have a value for Friction force (f) and I then used the relationship Friction = Coefficient of Friction x Normal force .. in this case 0.405=coefficient x mg (Normal force for 8kg-block = weight of block ie. 'mg')
So we have coefficient = w/mg = 0.405/(8x9.8) = 0.405/78.8 = 0.02 .
However the answer at the back of the book gives coefficient = 0.786.
I have tried doing this in slightly different ways and the nearest I get to the correct answer is .. 0.75 (which if you notice is just the mass-ratio between the 2 blocks) ?
So where have I gone wrong ?
can anyone help ?
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  • #2
Hello. Welcome to PF.

The work-energy theorem states that the change in KE of the system is equal to the total work done on the system. Friction is not the only force that does work on the system.

(There is a formatting tool bar that you can use to type subscripts and superscripts: for example, (1/2)m1v12.)
 
  • #3
Friction is not the only force doing work here.

The Work-Energy Theorem states that the total work done on a system is equal to the change in kinetic energy:

Wnet = ½mv2f - ½mv2i

In this case, friction and tension act on the first block, say m1, therefore:
Wfriction + Wtension = ½m1v2f - ½m1v2i

See where I'm going with this?
 
  • #4
Does your ∆E allow for the loss of P.E. as well as of K.E.?
 
  • #5
NascentOxygen said:
Does your ∆E allow for the loss of P.E. as well as of K.E.?
Generally, the "work-energy" theorem relates the work done by all forces (including gravity) to the change in KE.
 
  • #6
This problem has given me a headache like nothing else, my homework is due tomorrow so I won't receive the answer in time however more people will need help this problem in the future. How do you solve for the work of the tension? It seems like to me that it is impossible without the work done by friction
 

Related to Work-Energy Theorem problem

What is the Work-Energy Theorem?

The Work-Energy Theorem is a fundamental principle in physics that states the work done on an object is equal to the change in its kinetic energy.

How is the Work-Energy Theorem calculated?

The Work-Energy Theorem is calculated by multiplying the force applied to an object by the distance it moves in the direction of the force.

What are the units of the Work-Energy Theorem?

The units of the Work-Energy Theorem are joules (J), which is the standard unit for energy.

Can the Work-Energy Theorem be applied to all types of motion?

Yes, the Work-Energy Theorem can be applied to all types of motion, including linear, rotational, and even non-uniform motion.

What is the relationship between work and energy in the Work-Energy Theorem?

The Work-Energy Theorem states that work and energy are directly proportional to each other. This means that an increase in work done on an object will result in an increase in its kinetic energy.

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