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Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that waves of water do not freeze in wave form. Doesn't water freeze from the top down? Why don't waves freeze?
Curl said:Wave is just the motion of fluid. If it freezes it means it is not moving.
CarbonWater said:Thanks. I guess my question should have been, "why doesn't water have the shape of a wave when it freezes?"
CarbonWater said:Why don't waves freeze?
olivermsun said:Meanwhile, slushy, icing water wants to suppress waves
Well, since you mention lubricant: given a choice between:klimatos said:1) How so? Slushy water is lighter than pure liquid water. Theoretically, it should form even larger waves when subject to the same forces. The liquid water between the particles of ice acts as a lubricant, and tends to minimize any tessellation of ice crystals.
klimatos said:2) As one who has sailed the Davis Strait to Thule and back, I can personally testify to having seen very large slushy waves. Any cold-water sailor can probably say the same.
Bah, nonsense. We're all intelligent here, you can judge that by the quality of his answers. We know what he means and that's not an uncommon shorthand.klimatos said:3) Writer's Hint: You will gain more respect from your scientific readers if you avoid anthropomorphic expressions such as "wants to" and substitute more dispassionate terms such as "tends to" in your explanations.
Can't agree with you entirely there, Dave.DaveC426913 said:Bah, nonsense. We're all intelligent here, you can judge that by the quality of his answers. We know what he means and that's not an uncommon shorthand.
olivermsun said:The motions of waves [STRIKE]want[/STRIKE] tend to break up ice. Meanwhile, slushy, icing water [STRIKE]wants[/STRIKE] tends to suppress waves. They don't go together so well.
DaveC426913 said:What is the risk of tesselation occurring in a pure liquid? (Hint: none.)
klimatos said:I assume you misspoke in haste. Or,are you telling me that a pure liquid cannot form crystals of the solid phase, and that these crystals cannot thenceforth propagate themselves naturally? And no cop-outs by saying that no real-world liquid is pure. Let us confine our discussion to commonly-accepted laboratory standards of purity.
The liquid water between the particles of ice acts as a lubricant, and tends to minimize any tessellation of ice crystals.
boneh3ad said:I just want to point out that contrary to some of the posts earlier, if water could freeze into the shape of a wave, it would still be a wave. Waves needn't be moving through space. They can be stationary.
Waves do not freeze in cold temperatures because they are constantly moving and have a high energy state. This movement and energy prevent the water molecules from bonding together and forming ice crystals. Additionally, the constant motion of waves breaks up any ice that may try to form.
The science behind waves not freezing is due to a combination of factors. The first is the high energy state of waves, which prevents water molecules from bonding together and forming ice crystals. The second is the constant movement of waves, which breaks up any ice that may try to form.
Yes, waves can freeze in extremely cold temperatures, but it is rare. When the air temperature drops below freezing and the water is still, it is possible for waves to freeze. However, this typically only occurs in very cold and calm conditions, and the ice usually forms on the surface of the water rather than on the moving waves.
Waves stay in motion even in freezing temperatures because they are primarily driven by wind, not temperature. As long as there is wind, waves will continue to move and maintain their high energy state, preventing them from freezing.
Lakes and ponds have a smaller volume of water and are more susceptible to freezing because they have less energy to prevent ice formation. The ocean, on the other hand, has a much larger volume and is constantly being mixed by wind and currents, keeping the water in a high energy state and preventing it from freezing.