Why the renormalization group flow depends only the basic symmetry,but not Lagrangian

In summary, the renormalization group flow and fix-point are dependent on the basic symmetry rather than the Lagrangian form. This means that the laws of physics are determined by the fundamental symmetries. For instance, the Klein-Gordon, linear sigma, and nonlinear sigma Lagrangians all flow to each other under the basic symmetry of O(N) scalar fields. However, it should be noted that the validity of this statement is subject to debate and further discussion. The renormalization group procedure generates all possible terms in the effective action that are consistent with the symmetries of the original action, such as adding a phi^6 term to the effective Lagrangian in order to maintain the 6-point amplitude. This shows that
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Please teach me this:
Why the renormalization group flow and the fix-point depends only on the basic symmetry but not on the Lagrangian form.In general speaking,the physics laws depend only the basic symmetries?By the way,the Klein-Gordon,linear sigma,nonlinear sigma Lagrangian flow to one another under the basic symmetry that is O(N) of scalar field?
Thank you very much in advance.
 
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Knowing the physics laws depend only on symmetry is empirical knowledge or ''theoretical'' knowing?
 
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In the absence of a reply from more competent PFers- I'm not sure that what you've said is actually true. What I think is true is that the RG procedure generates all possible terms in the effective action that are consistent with the symmetries of the original action.

For example, consider phi^4 theory. By doing loop integrals, you can generate, in perturbation theory, 6-point correlation functions. In the Wilsonian approach, you've "integrated out" degrees of freedom above some momentum scale. These are no longer allowed to contribute to your loop integrals, so you have to add a phi^6 term to your effective lagrangian in order to keep the 6-point amplitude right. However, you can't generate a phi^7 term from phi^4 interactions- no matter how hard you try, you can't draw a Feynman diagram with 7 external lines, using only four-point vertices. Such a term would be inconsistent with the phi---->-(phi) symmetry of the original action, and is thus forbidden.
 
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Thank you very much for the answer.
 

Related to Why the renormalization group flow depends only the basic symmetry,but not Lagrangian

1. Why does the renormalization group flow only depend on the basic symmetry?

The renormalization group flow is a mathematical tool used to study the behavior of physical systems at different length scales. The basic symmetry refers to the fundamental symmetries of a system, such as rotational or translational symmetry. These symmetries have a profound impact on the behavior of a system and are essential for understanding its dynamics. Therefore, the renormalization group flow is primarily dependent on the basic symmetry because it provides the underlying structure for the system.

2. How does the basic symmetry affect the renormalization group flow?

The basic symmetry of a system determines the types of fluctuations that can occur at different length scales. These fluctuations are crucial for understanding the behavior of a system and play a significant role in the renormalization group flow. Different symmetries lead to different types of fluctuations, which in turn, affect the flow of physical quantities at different length scales.

3. Can the renormalization group flow be affected by the Lagrangian?

No, the renormalization group flow is independent of the Lagrangian. The Lagrangian describes the dynamics of a system, but it does not affect the underlying symmetries of the system. As a result, the renormalization group flow remains unaffected by changes in the Lagrangian.

4. Why is the Lagrangian not important for the renormalization group flow?

The Lagrangian plays a crucial role in determining the equations of motion for a system. However, the renormalization group flow is a tool used to study the behavior of physical quantities at different length scales. It does not depend on the specific details of the Lagrangian, but rather on the underlying symmetries of the system.

5. Can the renormalization group flow be used to study systems without basic symmetry?

Yes, the renormalization group flow can be applied to systems without basic symmetry. However, in such cases, the flow may not provide as much insight into the behavior of the system as it would for systems with basic symmetry. The presence of basic symmetry allows for a more organized and structured analysis of the system's behavior at different length scales.

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