Why is there negative group velocity in the optical mode?

In summary, the conversation discusses the group velocity of optical phonons in a crystal and how it is not always negative. The speaker also questions the relationship between wavelength and frequency in the optical mode, and the possibility of intuitively explaining the opposite directions of group and phase velocities. They also mention the concept of dispersive medium and how it affects the speed of waves. Additionally, they mention the impact of atomic masses and spacing on the energy required for different phonon modes.
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littlecalf
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The group velocity is always negative except k=0 and k=Pi/a in the
optical mode, is there a reason from the general picture of crystal
vibration? Well, it seems to me that optical mode describes the situation that different atoms in a unit cell have opposite motions.

Also, in the optical mode, the longer wavelength has the higher frequency,
which seems very weird to me.

thanks for attention
 
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littlecalf said:
The group velocity is always negative except k=0 and k=Pi/a in the
optical mode,
This is not true. For instance, it is positive in the interval (-pi/a,0) and the interval (pi/a,2pi/a)

is there a reason from the general picture of crystal
vibration?
What does make a good question, however, is :"Is there any way to intuitively explain why the group velocity of optical phonons is in the opposite direction to the phase velocity ?" To that question, I have no answer.

Well, it seems to me that optical mode describes the situation that different atoms in a unit cell have opposite motions.
This is true...except at the points, k=(+/-)pi/a

Also, in the optical mode, the longer wavelength has the higher frequency,
which seems very weird to me.
This is the same as saying there is a negative group velocity over some range, and so it ties up with your first question. It would seem weird because one is used to the fact that there is a simple inverse relationship between the wavelength and the frequency of a wave in a non-dispersive medium (dictated by the frequency-independent speed of the wave in that medium). When you talk of wave propagation through a dispersive medium, the speed of the wave itself varies as a function of the frequency. So, there is no justification for holding on to the old intuition. Notice that you wouldn't have this wiedrness in a mono-atomic basis.

Furthermore, when going from the k=0 optical mode to the k=pi/a optical mode, it is not unintuitive that there be a lowering in the energy required to execute that mode. In the first case, the individual displacements go like : u1/u2 = -m2/m1 (if the masses of the two basis atoms are nearly equal and so are their spacings, then this looks like a wave with effective wavelength a; ie: u1 = -u2). In the second case u2 = 0, and u1 has a wavelength of 2a, or u1(n) = -u1(n+1) [in 1d]. Again, making the masses similar, we're now comparing two cases that look like a crystal with a mono-atomic basis, and so the phonon with longer wavelength will have a lower energy.
 
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There are a few reasons for the presence of negative group velocity in the optical mode of crystal vibrations. One reason is related to the concept of dispersion in materials, where the speed of a wave depends on its frequency. In the optical mode, the frequency of the wave is inversely proportional to its wavelength, meaning that longer wavelengths have higher frequencies. This results in a negative group velocity, where the wave appears to be traveling backwards.

Another reason for negative group velocity in the optical mode is due to the nature of the vibrations themselves. In the optical mode, the atoms in a unit cell are vibrating in opposite directions, creating a standing wave pattern. This can lead to a cancellation of the velocities of the individual atoms, resulting in a net negative group velocity for the wave.

Overall, the presence of negative group velocity in the optical mode is a result of the unique properties of materials and their vibrations. While it may seem counterintuitive, it is a common phenomenon in many materials and is an important aspect to consider in understanding the behavior of waves in crystals.
 

Related to Why is there negative group velocity in the optical mode?

1. What is group velocity?

Group velocity is the velocity at which the overall shape or envelope of a wave packet moves through a medium. It is a measure of how quickly the energy or information carried by the wave is transmitted.

2. What is negative group velocity?

Negative group velocity occurs when the group velocity is in the opposite direction of the phase velocity, meaning that the wave packet appears to move backwards through the medium. This phenomenon is often observed in certain optical materials and can have unique effects on the propagation of light.

3. Why does negative group velocity occur in the optical mode?

Negative group velocity in the optical mode is a result of the dispersion relation of the material, which describes how the phase and group velocities are related to the wavelength of the light. In certain materials, the dispersion relation can lead to a negative group velocity for certain frequencies of light, resulting in the backwards movement of the wave packet.

4. What are some applications of negative group velocity in the optical mode?

Negative group velocity has been studied for its potential applications in optical communications, signal processing, and imaging. It can also be used to create novel optical devices, such as slow light devices, which can slow down the speed of light in a material, allowing for the manipulation of light for various purposes.

5. How is negative group velocity in the optical mode experimentally observed?

Negative group velocity can be observed through various experimental techniques, such as pump-probe spectroscopy or interferometry. These techniques measure the propagation of light through a material and can reveal the backwards movement of the wave packet. Other methods, such as four-wave mixing, can also be used to create and detect negative group velocity in optical systems.

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