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I heard that the consciousness causes collapse hypothesis is hard to verify or disprove. Anybody knows why?
Can you suggest an experiment that could falsify the proposition that consciousness causes collapse? Try it for yourself, and the futility of the effort will quickly become apparent.Trollfaz said:I heard that the consciousness causes collapse hypothesis is hard to verify or disprove. Anybody knows why?
Essentially because you cannot measure consciousness (of another being).Trollfaz said:I heard that the consciousness causes collapse hypothesis is hard to verify or disprove. Anybody knows why?
Demystifier said:Essentially because you cannot measure consciousness (of another being).
vanhees71 said:Define consciousness! Indeed your posting is again on the edge of being esoteric and thus beyond the scope of any scientific approach!
Unfortunately, I can't.bluecap said:Demystifier.. can you please write a paper exploring what would be the mechanisms if qualia can affect matter.
Demystifier said:Unfortunately, I can't.
Because I'm not smart enough.bluecap said:why can't you write it?
Well, fortunately there's peer review in all serious scientific journals...bluecap said:consciousness is related to qualia.. unfortunately. it's against PF rule to even talk about this.. so we won't have a chance of any meaningful conversation because this message would be deleted before we even start discussing.. therefore I appeal to demystifier to write a paper sharing all kinds of mechanisms "what if qualia has effect on matter".. then we can begin discussing using his paper as reference.
Maybe you are rather too smart to write utter nonsense!Demystifier said:Because I'm not smart enough.
... and even in serious philosophical journals.vanhees71 said:Well, fortunately there's peer review in all serious scientific journals...
Demystifier said:Because I'm not smart enough.
I believe it will take a new Newton to figure it out. I mean someone who will think about it in a way radically different from what we are used to.bluecap said:.. we just need to figure out the physics...
"Consciousness causes collapse" refers to the theory that the mere act of observing or measuring a quantum system can affect its behavior and cause it to collapse into a definite state. This concept is often used to explain the mysterious behavior of particles at the quantum level.
This idea is difficult to prove because it relies on the assumption that consciousness has a special role in the physical world. This is a philosophical and subjective concept that is difficult to measure or quantify using scientific methods.
While there have been some attempts to test this theory through experiments, the results have been inconclusive. This is because it is difficult to control for all the variables and isolate the role of consciousness in the behavior of quantum systems.
There is currently no scientific evidence to support this theory. The idea of consciousness affecting the behavior of particles at the quantum level is still a highly debated and controversial topic in the scientific community.
This theory is considered unfalsifiable because it cannot be proven or disproven through experimentation. As it is based on a philosophical concept, it is not testable using traditional scientific methods and therefore cannot be definitively proven or disproven.