Why does a sum of operators act on the state like this?

In summary, the expectation value of ##L_x## for a state ##\psi = R(r) \left( \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \right)## such that \langle \psi | L_x | \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{2} \bigg\langle \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \bigg| L_+ + L_- \bigg| \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3
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I'm reading through my quantum physics lecture notes (see page 216 of the lecture notes for more details) and under the ladder operators section there is a discussion of the expectation value of ##L_x## for a state ##\psi = R(r) \left( \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \right)## such that
[tex]\langle \psi | L_x | \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{2} \bigg\langle \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \bigg| L_+ + L_- \bigg| \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \bigg\rangle, [/tex] where ##L_\pm## are the angular momentum ladder operators and ##Y_{\ell m}## are the spherical harmonics.

Now, this all makes sense to me, however the next step states that
[tex]\langle \psi | L_x | \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{2} \bigg\langle \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} Y_{10} \bigg| \sqrt{ \frac{2}{3}} L_- Y_{11} - \sqrt{ \frac{1}{3}} L_+ Y_{10} \bigg\rangle. [/tex]
Why have these operators been assigned seemingly at random to one of the states?

My intuition suggests that
[tex]\begin{align*} (A+B) |u_1+u_2 \rangle &= A |u_1+u_2 \rangle + B |u_1+u_2 \rangle \\&= | A u_1 + A u_2 \rangle + | B u_1 + B u_2 \rangle\end{align*}[/tex]
[tex]\begin{align*}\implies \langle u_1+u_2 | (A+B) |u_1+u_2 \rangle &= \langle u_1+u_2 | A u_1 + A u_2 \rangle + \langle u_1+u_2 | B u_1 + B u_2 \rangle \\&= \langle u_1 | A u_1 \rangle + \langle u_2 | A u_1 \rangle + \langle u_1 | A u_2 \rangle + \langle u_2 | A u_2 \rangle \\&\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ + \langle u_1 | B u_1 \rangle + \langle u_2 | B u_1 \rangle + \langle u_1 | B u_2 \rangle + \langle u_2 | B u_2 \rangle \end{align*}.[/tex]
Where am I going wrong?

Please note that this is not a homework problem, so full solutions are welcome. I may need each tiny step written out to understand why this is happening.
 
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Some steps have been left out.

What is ##L_+ Y_{11}##?

What is ##L_- Y_{10}##?
 
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George Jones said:
What is ##L_+ Y_{11}##?
So since [tex]L_\pm Y_{\ell m} = \hbar \sqrt{\ell (\ell + 1) - m (m \pm 1)} Y_{\ell (m\pm1)},[/tex] we find that ##L_+ Y_{11} = 0##.

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What is ##L_- Y_{10}##?
Using the same logic as before, ##L_- Y_{10} = 2\hbar Y_{1,-1}##, right?

Here, my first inference was that since ##\ell## is only valid for ##\ell = 0,1,2,...## then ##Y_{1,-1} = 0##. However, other problems (such as 13.5.1 in the notes) successfully use ##Y_{1,-1}##.
 
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Harry Smith said:
So since [tex]L_\pm Y_{\ell m} = \hbar \sqrt{\ell (\ell + 1) - m (m \pm 1)} Y_{\ell (m\pm1)},[/tex] we find that ##L_+ Y_{11} = 0##.

Yes, so this term contributes nothing.

Harry Smith said:
Using the same logic as before, ##L_- Y_{10} = 2\hbar Y_{1,-1}##, right?

Yes. Even though this term is non-zero, it doesn't contribute anything to the integral (inner product). Why?
 
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George Jones said:
Yes. Even though this term is non-zero, it doesn't contribute anything to the integral (inner product). Why?
Ah, because the spherical harmonics are orthonormal, so we need only consider the states that are already present because the others will have an inner product of zero?
 
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Harry Smith said:
Ah, because the spherical harmonics are orthonormal, so we need only consider the states that are already present because the others will have an inner product of zero?

Yes.
 
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George Jones said:
Yes.
Thank you so much for your help, George!
 

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1. Why do operators act on the state in quantum mechanics?

Operators in quantum mechanics represent physical quantities that can be measured, such as energy or position. They act on the state of a system to determine the possible outcomes of a measurement.

2. What is the mathematical representation of an operator in quantum mechanics?

In quantum mechanics, operators are represented by matrices. Each element in the matrix corresponds to a different state of the system, and the action of the operator on the state is determined by the values in the matrix.

3. How does a sum of operators act on the state in quantum mechanics?

A sum of operators acts on the state by applying each operator in the sum to the state, and then adding the resulting states together. This is known as the superposition principle, and it allows for the state of a system to exist in multiple states simultaneously.

4. Why is the order of operators important in quantum mechanics?

The order of operators is important in quantum mechanics because their actions are not commutative. This means that the result of applying two operators in different orders may be different, and can affect the outcome of a measurement.

5. Is there a limit to the number of operators that can act on a state in quantum mechanics?

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