Why Can't We Fix the Gauge in the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm Effect?

  • I
  • Thread starter LarryS
  • Start date
In summary, the Aharonov-Bohm effect deals with the magnetic vector potential, A, which is defined as any vector field whose curl is the magnetic force field, B. However, the presence of a solenoid in the region of A makes it not simply-connected, preventing the fixing of a unique gauge for the entire region and causing a phase difference between electrons traveling in different directions. This phase difference can be understood through a non-integrable phase factor and is independent of the surface chosen for integration, as long as it encircles the forbidden region.
  • #1
LarryS
Gold Member
345
33
I am struggling with understanding the magnetic (solenoidal) version of the Aharonov-Bohm effect.

The magnetic vector potential, A, is defined as any vector field whose curl is the magnetic force field, B. This definition makes A not unique.

The presence of the solenoid makes the region of A not simply-connected. Somehow, that prevents us from choosing (fixing the gauge) one unique A for the entire region and this causes a phase difference between electrons that travel one way around the solenoid versus those that travel the other way.

I understand, in the electrostatic version of the AB effect why we cannot fix the gauge for the electrostatic potential (only simply-connected regions can be conservative), but why, in the above magnetic version can we not fix the gauge and why does that cause the phase difference/interference pattern?

Thanks in advance.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Are you certain that it is not possible to choose a gauge in the multi connected case? If we choose ##A = f(r) \hat{z}## for a wire, then ##B=f'(r) \bar{r}\times \hat{z}## which yields a perfectly okay ##B##-field. Is my ##A## not in a "fixed" gauge?
 
  • #3
Of course you can choose a gauge, and any gauge you want. The only thing entering the AB effect is, the integral appearing in the phase factor
$$\Phi=\int_{\partial F} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot \vec{A}=\int_F \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{F} \cdot (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}) = \int_F \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{F} \cdot \vec{B},$$
which is the magnetic flux through (any) surface with the boundary ##\partial F## and this is a gauge-invariant quantity, only depending on the magnetic field.

It's understandable also by a very beautiful topological argument as a non-integrable phase factor:

Wu, T. T., Yang, C. N.: Concept of nonintegrable phase factors and global formulation of gauge fields, Phys. Rev. D 12, 3845, 1975

Also see the QM textbook by Sakurai.
 
  • #4
vanhees71 said:
Of course you can choose a gauge, and any gauge you want. The only thing entering the AB effect is, the integral appearing in the phase factor
$$\Phi=\int_{\partial F} \mathrm{d} \vec{r} \cdot \vec{A}=\int_F \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{F} \cdot (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}) = \int_F \mathrm{d}^2 \vec{F} \cdot \vec{B},$$
which is the magnetic flux through (any) surface with the boundary ##\partial F## and this is a gauge-invariant quantity, only depending on the magnetic field.

It's understandable also by a very beautiful topological argument as a non-integrable phase factor:

Wu, T. T., Yang, C. N.: Concept of nonintegrable phase factors and global formulation of gauge fields, Phys. Rev. D 12, 3845, 1975

Also see the QM textbook by Sakurai.

Trying to understand your math. I see Stokes Theorem in combination with the definition of the magnetic vector potential. Must your surface F contain the "hole" caused by presence of the long solenoid?
 
  • #5
This whole non-connectedness is mathematical idealisation. For some reason I never quite understood mathematicians love to exclude the only region of physically relevance from their range of definition and then start to discuss what possibilities are left.
Physically, you have a more or less localized magnetic field in the center and you are integrating over all space. Whether it is due to a whisker or a coil pair is irrelevant.
 
  • #6
In the case of the AB effect the point is that you get an non-integrable phase factor (see the above cited paper by Wu and Yang). It's most easily derived via the path integral. The point is that although the particles move in a (idealized) field-free region but still the magnetic field in the region, which is forbidden for the particles, has an effect in terms of this phase, i.e., measurable interference effects (as in the double-slit experiment).

@referframe of course the "allowed region" of the particle must be multiply connected, because otherwise the ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}=0## would imply via Poincare's lemma that ##\vec{A}=-\vec{\nabla} \chi## for some scalar field ##\chi##, and the phase would vanish. Then any closed curve encircling a forbidden region, where ##\vec{B} \neq 0## encircles a surface containing this region, and thus the magnetic flux doesn't vanish. Which surface you choose is also independent due to Gauss's theorem, because you can take two different surfaces with the same boundary and make a closed surface out of it by adding the cylinder-like parts in the region, where ##\vec{B}=0##. Then you use Gauss's theorem and ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0## to show that the surface integral along this closed surface is 0 and thus that the magnetic flux is the same for the two surfaces with the common boundary line.
 
  • Like
Likes Paul Colby
  • #7
vanhees71 said:
In the case of the AB effect the point is that you get an non-integrable phase factor (see the above cited paper by Wu and Yang). It's most easily derived via the path integral. The point is that although the particles move in a (idealized) field-free region but still the magnetic field in the region, which is forbidden for the particles, has an effect in terms of this phase, i.e., measurable interference effects (as in the double-slit experiment).

@referframe of course the "allowed region" of the particle must be multiply connected, because otherwise the ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}=0## would imply via Poincare's lemma that ##\vec{A}=-\vec{\nabla} \chi## for some scalar field ##\chi##, and the phase would vanish. Then any closed curve encircling a forbidden region, where ##\vec{B} \neq 0## encircles a surface containing this region, and thus the magnetic flux doesn't vanish. Which surface you choose is also independent due to Gauss's theorem, because you can take two different surfaces with the same boundary and make a closed surface out of it by adding the cylinder-like parts in the region, where ##\vec{B}=0##. Then you use Gauss's theorem and ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{B}=0## to show that the surface integral along this closed surface is 0 and thus that the magnetic flux is the same for the two surfaces with the common boundary line.

Thanks, I found a free version of that paper by Wu and Yang. It seems that an oversimplified answer would be that Stoke's Theorem fails if the curl of the enclosed vector field is zero and the domain is not simply-connected.
 
  • #8
Stokes's theorem doesn't fail. How do you come to that conclusion? It's just that in a multiply connected domain ##\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}=0## does NOT imply that the line integral over ##\vec{A}## along a closed path vanishes.

The most simple example is the potential vortex. In cylindrical coordinates it's given by
$$\vec{A}=-\vec{\nabla} \varphi = -\frac{1}{r} \vec{e}_{\varphi}=-\frac{-y \vec{e}_x+x \vec{e}_y}{r^2}.$$
It's singular at ##\rho=0##, i.e., along the ##z## axis, i.e., you have a multiply connected domain, and any closed curve around the ##z## axis gives
$$\int_{C} \mathrm{d} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{A}=-(\phi_1-\phi_0)=-2 \pi,$$
because for a closed curve (running once around the ##z## axis) you have ##\phi_0=-\pi## and ##\phi_1=+\pi##. Of course, the curl vanishes everywhere around the ##z## axis. On the ##z## axis it has a ##\delta##-distribution like singularity.

To see this we regularize the field by writing
$$\vec{A}_{\epsilon}=-(-y \vec{e}_x+x \vec{e}_y)/(r^2+\epsilon^2).$$
Now we have
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}_{\epsilon}=-\frac{2 \epsilon^2}{(r^2+\epsilon^2)^2}.$$
Now take the surface integral over any plane ##F## parallel zu the ##xy## plane. Since ##\mathrm{d} \vec{F}=\mathrm{d}r \, \mathrm{d} \varphi \, r \vec{e}_z## you get
$$\int_{F} \mathrm{d} \vec{F} \cdot (\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}_{\epsilon})=-2 \pi.$$
Letting ##\epsilon \rightarrow 0## tells you that you have, written in Cartesian coordinates,
$$\vec{\nabla} \times \vec{A}=-2 \pi \delta(x) \delta(y) \vec{e}_z.$$
You cannot write this in cylinder coordinates, because cylinder coordinates have a singularity along the ##z## axis, which is the support of the above ##\delta## distribution.
 

Related to Why Can't We Fix the Gauge in the Magnetic Aharonov-Bohm Effect?

1. What is the AB effect?

The AB effect, also known as the "abstraction of the mind" effect, refers to the phenomenon where people tend to struggle with tasks or concepts that require abstract thinking and problem solving. It is a common challenge in fields such as mathematics, physics, and computer science.

2. Why do people struggle with the AB effect?

There are several reasons why people may struggle with the AB effect. One possible explanation is that abstract thinking requires a different approach than concrete thinking and some people may find it difficult to switch between the two. Additionally, individuals may have different levels of cognitive abilities and past experiences that influence their ability to think abstractly.

3. How can I improve my ability to deal with the AB effect?

There are various strategies you can try to improve your ability to deal with the AB effect. These include practicing abstract thinking through exercises and puzzles, seeking help from a mentor or tutor, breaking down complex problems into smaller, more manageable chunks, and finding real-life applications for abstract concepts.

4. Is the AB effect something that can be overcome?

Yes, the AB effect can be overcome with persistence and practice. Just like any other skill, abstract thinking can be developed and improved upon over time. It is important to remember that everyone has their own unique cognitive abilities and learning styles, so what works for one person may not work for another.

5. Are there any negative consequences of struggling with the AB effect?

Struggling with the AB effect may lead to frustration, low self-esteem, and a lack of confidence in one's abilities. It can also impact academic or professional success in fields that require abstract thinking. However, it is important to remember that everyone has strengths and weaknesses, and struggling with the AB effect does not define one's intelligence or worth as a person.

Similar threads

  • Quantum Physics
Replies
8
Views
765
  • Quantum Physics
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
957
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • Quantum Interpretations and Foundations
8
Replies
249
Views
9K
Replies
1
Views
655
  • Atomic and Condensed Matter
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
181
  • Quantum Interpretations and Foundations
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • Quantum Physics
Replies
4
Views
2K
Back
Top