Why can fermions occupy only one state and

In summary, bosons can occupy more because they have identical particle properties, and the physical reason is that they can have more wavefunction permutations.
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Why can bosons occupy more? Surely the reason must be more than the maths? Whats the physical reason?
 
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Davio said:
Why can bosons occupy more? Surely the reason must be more than the maths? Whats the physical reason?

The physical reason is in identical particle properties: their exchanging may not change the system state. So only two possibilities exist: symmetric or antisymmetric wave function transformations. Both cases exist in nature. The antisymmetric states are called fermionic and their statistics is different.

Photons are not charged, there is a superposition principle for EMF, so they can be "together" as one photon of higher strength.
 
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IMHO your question is ill put. We define fermions by their relativistic transformation behavior. This is like saying why don't positive charges repel negative charges. It is part of the definition of the negative charge.

Fact is: With the prevalent spacetime symmetry particles have few transformation behaviors to choose from. (Well ok few sane ones...2 dimensional anyons and parastatistic excluded)
 
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Physical reason? Well in some experiment... for exaple you have some target and you bomb that target with electrons. Electrons very quick louse their energy and you can't say is some electron in some other moment the electron you look in some other moment.
If you look two electrons and let's say that state of the system is [tex]\psi(\xi_1,\xi_2)[/tex], where [tex]\xi_1[/tex] and [tex]\xi_2[/tex] denoting the three coordinates and spin projection. And define some operator of permutation:
[tex]\hat{P}_{1,2}\psi(\xi_1,\xi_2)=\psi(\xi_2,\xi_1)[/tex]

Eigen problem of this operator is:
[tex]\hat{P}_{1,2}\psi(\xi_1,\xi_2)=\lambda\psi(\xi_1,\xi_2)[/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow \lambda=\pm1[/tex]

[tex]\lambda=-1[/tex] - fermions
[tex]\lambda=1[/tex] - bosons
 
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To follow up on Petar's response, because you can't tell one particle from another, because of the probabilistic interpretation of QM, you must write the wavefunction as a superposition of particle one in state one particle with two in state two and particle one in state two and particle two in state one.

In the case of N electrons it is more complicated. Because the permutation operators commute with the Hamiltonian, but not each other only the "totally symmetric" and "total anti-symmetric" combinations of permutations are allowed. The wavefunction that is total anti-symmetric is what we find electrons as and this is the case of Fermions.

There is an excellent section in Richard Liboff's textbook on this. In the third edition it is section 12.3 pages 613-619.
 

Related to Why can fermions occupy only one state and

1. Why can fermions occupy only one state?

Fermions, as particles that follow the Pauli exclusion principle, are limited to occupying only one quantum state at a time. This is because they have half-integer spin and are subject to the Fermi-Dirac statistics, which dictate that no two fermions can occupy the same quantum state simultaneously.

2. What is the Pauli exclusion principle?

The Pauli exclusion principle states that no two identical fermions can occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. This principle is a fundamental aspect of quantum mechanics and explains the behavior of particles with half-integer spin, such as electrons, protons, and neutrons.

3. Can fermions ever occupy more than one state?

No, fermions can only occupy one state at a time due to the Pauli exclusion principle. This means that they cannot be in two places or have two different properties at the same time. However, they can change states through processes such as energy absorption or emission.

4. How does the Fermi-Dirac statistics affect fermion occupation?

The Fermi-Dirac statistics, named after Enrico Fermi and Paul Dirac, describes how fermions behave at a microscopic level. It dictates that fermions must obey the Pauli exclusion principle and therefore can only occupy one state at a time. This principle is essential in understanding the behavior of fermions in various systems, such as atoms and metals.

5. Can bosons occupy only one state like fermions?

No, bosons are not subject to the Pauli exclusion principle and can occupy the same quantum state simultaneously. This is because bosons have integer spin and follow the Bose-Einstein statistics, which allow for multiple particles to occupy the same state. Examples of bosons include photons, gluons, and the Higgs boson.

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