Why a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups

In summary, the question is asking why the groups $M_n$, $O_n$, and $T_n$ are not isomorphic. It is suggested to show that one group is abelian while the others are not, but this is not the case as none of the groups are abelian. Instead, the problem lies in showing that the groups are not normal in $G$ and that their centers are not isomorphic. It is noted that $M_n$ is almost a direct product of $O_n$ and $T_n$, but the action of the orthogonal group on the translations is not trivial and does not preserve the original translation. This leads to a semi-direct product instead of a direct product. An example is given to illustrate
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I would like to know why $M_n$ $\not\cong$ $O_n$ x $T_n$, where $M_n$ is the group of isometries of $\mathbb R^n$, $O_n$ is the group of orthogonal matrices, and $T_n$ is the group of translations in $\mathbb R^n$.

**My attempt:** Can I show that one side is abelian, while the other group is not abelian? How do I go about doing that? Can I begin by showing that their centers are not isomorphic?

Thanks.
 
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WEll, no, because neither group is abelian. While the translation group IS abelian, the orthogonal group is NOT:

consider $A,B \in O_2$:

$\displaystyle A = \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{2}&-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\\ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}&\frac{1}{2} \end{bmatrix}$

$B = \begin{bmatrix}1&0\\0&-1 \end{bmatrix}$

Then:

$\displaystyle AB = \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{2}&\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\\ \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}&-\frac{1}{2} \end{bmatrix}$

while:

$\displaystyle BA = \begin{bmatrix}\frac{1}{2}&-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\\ -\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}&-\frac{1}{2} \end{bmatrix}$

In general, if $G$ is a direct product of two subgroups $H,K$, one most show 3 things:

1) $H,K$ are both NORMAL in $G$
2) $G = HK$
3) $H \cap K = \{1_G\}$

Presumably, you have already shown (2) and (3) hold. The problem, therefore, must lie with (1).

Yes, IF their centers are not isomorphic, the groups are not isomorphic. However, the converse is NOT true: you cannot conclude that two groups with isomorphic centers are isomorphic. Determining $Z(M_n)$ might not be as easy as you think, however.

$M_n$ is "almost" a direct product of $O_n$ and $T_n$. We can let the orthogonal group act on the translations like so:

"rotate/flip", translate, then "rotate back/unflip", which amounts to a DIFFERENT translation (translation by the reverse rotated vector, or the flipped vector, instead of our original one). And we have:

$O_n \cong M_n/T_n$

which means that isometries are orthogonal maps "up to a translational factor". The problem is that this action of the orthogonal group isn't *trivial*, we do not, in general, preserve our original translation (just its orientation).

For example, consider the translation by (3,1) in $\Bbb R^2$. Let's say we rotate by 90 degrees counter clockwise first.

This sends (x,y) to (-y,x). Now we translate, and we have (3-y,x+1). The reverse rotation sends (a,b) to (b,-a). Applying this to (3-y,x+1), we wind up with the point (x+1,y-3), so the overall effect is to translate by (1,-3) (which is where the "reverse rotation" sends (3,1)).

The problem here is, when you translate, perform some orthogonal map, and then "translate back", you typically do NOT preserve the origin. Let's use our previous example:

First we translate, sending (x,y) to (x+3,y+1). Rotating the plane by 90 degrees counterclockwise now sends this point to (-y-1,x+3). Translating back (by (-3,-1)), we wind up with (-y-4,x+2), or:

$t_{(-4,2)} \circ p_{\pi/2}$

which sends the origin to (-4,2) (and thus cannot be a linear map).

It turns out that we have a semi-direct product, not a direct product. When we compose the product of a translation and an orthogonal map (an isometry) with another such isometry, the orthogonal part of the second transformation "garbles (re-arranges)" the translational part of the first isometry, they don't act independently.

Again, a more in-depth look:

For our first isometry, we'll use $M_1 = t_{(3,1)} \circ p_{\pi/2}$, and for our second one, we'll use $M_2 = t_{(2,2)} \circ r$ where $r$ is reflection about the x-axis.

IF we had a direct product, we would expect to get $t_{(5,3)} \circ r'$, where $r'$ has the matrix:

$\begin{bmatrix}0&-1\\-1&0 \end{bmatrix}$.

That is, we would expect $M_2 \circ M_1 (x,y) = (5-y,3-x)$.

Let's see what we actually get:

$M_1(x,y) = t_{(3,1)}(p_{\pi/2}(x,y)) = (3-y,x+1)$

$M_2(x,y) = t_{(2,2)}(r(x,y)) = (x+2,2-y)$, so:

$M_2 \circ M_1 (x,y) = M_2(3-y,x+1) = (5-y,1-x) = t_{(5,1)} \circ r'(x,y)$

Why do we wind up translating by (5,1) instead of (5,3)?

Let's look at what happens to the origin:

The first isometry moves the origin to (3,1). But when we reflect (3,1) about the x-axis, we get (3,-1), which winds up at (5,1) when we translate by (2,2). The reflection "messes up" our translational part. Note that the "orthogonal part" is unaffected by the translation, the matrix we get in both cases is still $r'$ (we still wind up swapping x with y and changing the sign).

This kind of "tangled interaction" is typical of semi-direct products.
 

Related to Why a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups

1. Why can't a group be isomorphic to a direct product of groups?

A group cannot be isomorphic to a direct product of groups because isomorphism is a one-to-one mapping between two groups that preserves the group structure. Direct product of groups is a way of combining two or more groups to create a new group, so it cannot be isomorphic to any individual group.

2. What is the difference between a group and a direct product of groups?

A group is a set of elements with a binary operation that satisfies certain properties, such as closure, associativity, identity element, and inverse element. A direct product of groups is a way of combining two or more groups to create a new group, which retains the individual structures of the original groups but also has its own group structure.

3. Are there any exceptions to the rule that a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups?

Yes, there are a few exceptions to this rule. For example, if two groups are isomorphic to each other, then their direct product will also be isomorphic to them. Additionally, there are some special cases where a group may be isomorphic to a direct product of groups, but these are rare and require certain conditions to be met.

4. How can you prove that a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups?

To prove that a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups, you can use a contradiction-based approach. Assume that the group is isomorphic to the direct product and then show that this leads to a contradiction. This can be done by examining the group's properties and the properties of direct products.

5. What implications does a group not being isomorphic to a direct product have?

If a group is not isomorphic to a direct product of groups, it means that it cannot be decomposed into smaller groups in a way that preserves its structure. This can have implications for the complexity and behavior of the group, as well as its relationships to other groups. It also means that the group has unique properties that cannot be replicated by a direct product of other groups.

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