Who are Tartars? William Dalrymple Quotes

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In summary, the Englishman who populate Bengal during the Bengal famine were referred to as Tartars, and the context is that they caused a near-genocide. The Volga Tatars, the largest group of Tatars, are descendants of the Mongols.
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William Dalrymple quotes this dialogue from The Nabob

Touchit: We cunningly encroach and fortify little by little, till at length, we are growing too strong for the natives, and then we turn them out of their lands, and take possession of their money and jewels.

Mayor: And don't you think, Mr. Touchit, that is a little uncivil of us?

Touchit: Oh, nothing at all! These people are little better than Tartars and Turks.

Mayor: No, no, Mr. Touchit; just the reverse: it is they who have caught Tartars in us.

Actually, the context is Bengal famine. The good looking white Englishmen caused a near-genocide, and they couldn't eat fishes because the river Ganges was full of dead bodies.

But what is this Tartar thing? I don't even got that Turks reference?
 
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William Dalrymple quotes this dialogue from The Nabob

Touchit: We cunningly encroach and fortify little by little, till at length, we are growing too strong for the natives, and then we turn them out of their lands, and take possession of their money and jewels.

Mayor: And don't you think, Mr. Touchit, that is a little uncivil of us?

Touchit: Oh, nothing at all! These people are little better than Tartars and Turks.

Mayor: No, no, Mr. Touchit; just the reverse: it is they who have caught Tartars in us.

Actually, the context is Bengal famine. The good looking white Englishmen caused a near-genocide, and they couldn't eat fishes because the river Ganges was full of dead bodies.

But what is this Tartar thing? I don't even got that Turks reference?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars
As the Wikipedia link above explains, historically the Tatars referred to a confederation of nomadic or semi-nomadic tribal peoples from what is now Central Asia and Northern Asia who spoke a series of related Turkic languages and subsequently joined forces with the Mongols under Genghis Khan and eventually conquered large parts of what is now Russia and Ukraine and parts of the Caucasus.

Subsequently these various peoples adopted Islam and settled into the above regions and developed into distinct Turkic-speaking ethnic groups, which are nowadays called Tatars. The largest such group is the Volga Tatars.
 
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Back in the day the Tartars would often live off raiding their neighbours, even if nominally at peace or subject to one king or another. The Ottoman empire was often and successfully at war with the Christians kingodms, encroaching into Europe. Both were predominantly Muslim peoples, which is as damning a thing as it gets to Christians of the time.
So Tartars, Turks => 'savages, raiders, invaders, despoilers' in the minds of many Europeans of late medieval, renaissance periods. Or so the stereotype goes.
Same as Mongols a few centuries earlier, the Huns even earlier, Vandals, and so on.
 
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William Dalrymple quotes Samuel Foote's 18th C. play "The Nabob", if I understand the OP's references correctly. Though considered a wealthy aristocrat while living in impoverished India during the "Raj", the protagonist might be considered a common brigand and social climber back in England. The interlocutor opines that greedy grasping Englishmen are the true invaders and exploiters.

For artistic interpretation of Turkic or Tartar 'Cossacks' during the Polish, Ukrainian and Russian Empire period in Russian literature read a translation of Gogol's novel "Taras Bulba" and/or view the 1962 American film loosely based on the novel. The great actor Yul Brynner brings warlord Taras Bulba to life.

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I thought "Tartars" were the critters that inhabit the gunk on your unbrushed teeth.
 
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I thought "Tartars" were the critters that inhabit the gunk on your unbrushed teeth.
No, no...they make the sauce you put on fish.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
No, no...they make the sauce you put on fish.
Time for another trip to a fish camp... :-p
 
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(It gives me some peace that most of the fiercest invaders were not Khans, but Hans)

The Asiatic People:

Central Asia, North-Eastern Asia and Americas have been inhabited by a group of people who were called as Asiatic. They were characterised by their physical features (the features which are purely due to external environment and tell us more about the climate than the men), thus,
  • Short Stature
  • Yellow-Brown skin
  • Black eyes and hair
  • Brachycephalic
  • Oblique eyes
The Xanthochroic People:

Central Europe has been resided by people who were termed as Xanthochroic. Physical features include:
  • Tall stature
  • Colourless skin
  • Grey or blue eyes
  • extreme dolichocephaly to extreme brachycephaly

Islam was thriving after death of the politician, and spread to both sides of its origin like a rubber band being stretched. Though, all three Abrahamic religion were altogether same, yet they fought many wars only for indifferent public to utter Supreme Being as Jehovah, God, or ...

In 13th century, the Asiatic people embarked on a journey, and many texts can be found about their journey. Violence rose to its limit, and Arabs were accepting the mutilation as a doom from ... It is these Mongols who were called by Giovanni as Tartars.

(Work in Progress, to be continued...)
 
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After much bloodshed and intolerance , Mongols took up Islam. Admixture of Asiatic and Xanthochroic began.

Timur and Babur, who were reported to be the descendants of Ghenghis Khan, invaded India and began their rule. Little by little admixture continued, and by the time of Jahangir there was more of Xanthochroicity in rulers.

Why were Indians called as “little better than Tartars”?

The reference was to Muslim rulers at that time and to their ruthlessness, well after all they were descendants of Tartars, only became a little too intolerant of other religion and wore Islam.
 
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As the Wikipedia link above explains, historically the Tatars referred to a confederation of nomadic or semi-nomadic tribal peoples from what is now Central Asia and Northern Asia who spoke a series of related Turkic languages and subsequently joined forces with the Mongols under Genghis Khan and eventually conquered large parts of what is now Russia and Ukraine and parts of the Caucasus.

Subsequently these various peoples adopted Islam and settled into the above regions and developed into distinct Turkic-speaking ethnic groups, which are nowadays called Tatars. The largest such group is the Volga Tatars.
Some pictures of Tatars:

Volga Tatars (Tatars living in along the Volga river in what is now Russia):


https://static.themoscowtimes.com/image/article_1360/6f/c77b3bdbe61a4d94997902dbcb6e2232.jpg
 
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Crimean Tatars (Tatar group based in the Crimea region, now dispersed throughout Russia, Ukraine, and Central Asian republics):

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Siberian Tatars (Tatar groups living in Siberia):

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For studying human culture in the Americas I prefer an anthropological approach in tandem with the increasingly detailed physical record placing emigration at least 50k years ago, closer to estimates of human arrivals in Australia and nearby islands.

Within various thaws and changes to the land and seascape, ancient people emigrated from the Pacific North and Northwest in groups over considerable time. Cultures supplanted earlier people, pushed them south, or co-existed depending on external events driving migration and usually abundant food sources. The area I studied in depth in Northern California and Nevada included markedly distinct language groups within relatively compact areas that also provided extensive variety of edible plants and wildlife.

Ethnographers studying language groups and cultural progression closely follow physical anthropologists' discoveries of ancient cultures and civilizations. Langauge group studies compare to DNA and mitochondrial descent evidence. In a related thread @fresh_42 recently posted linguistic maps of Northern Europe indicating tribal movements and concentrations late Roman to medieval periods IMS.
 
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It just occurred to me if those people, in 19th century, who wanted to completely break off the society and wanted to go back to primitive society (so called Anarchists), would have agreed to live with Tartars in that primitive society?
 

1. Who are the Tartars?

The Tartars, also known as the Tatars, are a Turkic-speaking people who originated from Central Asia. They have a rich history and culture, with many different ethnic groups falling under the umbrella term "Tartar."

2. Where do the Tartars come from?

The Tartars originated from the Eurasian Steppe, a vast grassland that stretches from Eastern Europe to Central Asia. They were nomadic people who traveled and settled in various regions throughout history, including Siberia, Central Asia, and Eastern Europe.

3. What is the history of the Tartars?

The Tartars have a long and complex history, with their origins dating back to the 5th century. They were a powerful force in the Mongol Empire and played a significant role in the conquests of Genghis Khan and his descendants. They also established their own empires, such as the Golden Horde in Eastern Europe and the Crimean Khanate in the Black Sea region.

4. What is the culture of the Tartars?

The Tartars have a diverse culture that is influenced by their nomadic lifestyle and their interactions with various civilizations throughout history. They have a rich tradition of music, art, and literature, as well as a unique cuisine that blends elements from different cultures. They also have a strong tradition of horsemanship and falconry.

5. What is the current status of the Tartars?

Today, the Tartars are a minority group in many of the countries where they reside, such as Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan. Many have assimilated into the dominant cultures, but there are still some communities that preserve their traditional way of life. The Tartars also face challenges, such as discrimination and political tensions in some regions.

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