When water can form an H30+ ion why can't it form an H4O2+ ion?

In summary, protons tend to join other H2O molecules instead of forming H402+. This is because the concentration of water is much higher than the concentration of H+ in most acid solutions. Additionally, larger ions such as H5O2+ and H7O3+ have also been detected in water. Furthermore, the formation of H2O2+ is thermodynamically unfavorable and less likely to occur due to the instability of the molecules. This is because the charge on one molecule would spread out if possible, rather than accumulating on a single molecule.
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Is it that protons tend to join other H2O molecules rather than forming H402+?
 
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Yes. Think about the availability of water (its molar concentration) as compared to the concentration of H+ in a typical acid solution.

And water doesn't contain only H3O+. From what I remember also larger ions like H5O2+, H7O3+ and so on were detected.
 
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Sounds like it does. It's just unlikely to happen in most solutions where the number of water molecules far outweighs the number of hydronium ions.

I'll also add that under almost all conditions, the formation of H2O2+ is probably very thermodynamically unfavorable compared to hydronium formation. This means that even if the concentrations were equal, the formation would still be less likely to occur due to instability of the molecules.

Think about it: why would a charge accumulate on one molecule when it could spread itself out?
 

Related to When water can form an H30+ ion why can't it form an H4O2+ ion?

1. Why is the H30+ ion more stable than the H4O2+ ion?

The H30+ ion, also known as the hydronium ion, is more stable than the H4O2+ ion because it has a lower energy state. This is due to the arrangement of atoms in the H30+ ion, which allows for a stronger bond between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. In contrast, the H4O2+ ion has a less stable structure, making it more reactive and less likely to form.

2. What is the difference between the H30+ and H4O2+ ions?

The main difference between the H30+ and H4O2+ ions is the number of hydrogen atoms bonded to the oxygen atom. The H30+ ion has three hydrogen atoms bonded to one oxygen atom, while the H4O2+ ion has four hydrogen atoms bonded to two oxygen atoms. This difference in structure leads to different chemical properties and stability between the two ions.

3. Can the H4O2+ ion exist in aqueous solutions?

The H4O2+ ion can exist in aqueous solutions, but it is highly unstable and reactive. It can quickly react with other molecules in the solution to form more stable compounds. Additionally, the H4O2+ ion is not commonly found in nature and is usually only created in laboratory settings.

4. How is the formation of H30+ ion related to the properties of water?

The formation of the H30+ ion is closely related to the properties of water. Water is a polar molecule, meaning it has a slight positive charge on one side and a slight negative charge on the other. This polarity allows it to easily dissociate into H+ and OH- ions, with the H+ ions quickly bonding with nearby water molecules to form the H30+ ion. This process is known as the autoionization of water.

5. Is the H4O2+ ion a strong or weak acid?

The H4O2+ ion is considered a weak acid because it does not fully dissociate in aqueous solutions. It is also highly unstable, making it a less effective acid compared to the H30+ ion. However, in certain reactions, the H4O2+ ion can still exhibit acidic properties and act as a proton donor.

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