What Would You See in Ehrenfest's Thought Experiment?

In summary, Paul Ehrenfest's thought experiment highlights the contrast between the observations made if light moved through a stationary ether versus if Einstein's second postulate is correct, and emphasizes the significance of understanding the fundamental principles of physics.
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Homework Statement


Paul Ehrenfest suggested the following thought experiment to illustrate the dramatically different observations that might be expected, dependent on whether light moved relative to a stationary ether or according to Einstein's second postulate:

Suppose that you are seated at the center of a huge dark sphere with a radius of 3e8 and with its inner surface higly reflective. A source at the center emits a very brief flash of light that moves outward through the darkness with uniform intensity as a spherical wave.

What would you see during the first 3 seconds after the emission of the flash if:

a) the sphere moved through the ether at a constant 30 km/s and b) if Einstein's second postulate is correct?


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The Attempt at a Solution




a) Against the ether to the edge it would take:

(3.0e8 m)/(3.0e8-30000 m/s) = 1.00010001 sec

with the ether back to the center: (3.0e8m)/(3.0e8+30000 m/s) = 0.999 sec
My book says the answer to this part is at 2 sec. a bright circle reflected from the great circle perpendicular to the motion. And I think this makes sense to me because the light should be reflected back to the center at 1.9991 sec.

b) For this part, my book says the entire interior lights up at 2sec.

I don't understand the difference between these two answers or I can't quite picture it (the difference between seeing a bright circle and the entire interior lighting up) and why you would see something different in each case. Could somebody give me a good explanation of what is going on here? Thanks.
 
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it is important to keep an open mind and explore all possibilities in order to understand the world around us. In this thought experiment, Paul Ehrenfest is showing us the stark contrast between the observations that would be made if light moved through a stationary ether versus if Einstein's second postulate is correct.

In the first scenario, where the sphere is moving through the ether at a constant speed, the light emitted from the source would take slightly longer to reach the edge of the sphere due to the motion of the ether. This would result in a bright circle of light being reflected back to the center at 2 seconds, as you correctly calculated. This is because the light would be traveling against the ether, which would cause a slight delay in its journey.

On the other hand, in the second scenario where Einstein's second postulate is correct, the speed of light is constant and does not depend on the motion of the observer or the source. This means that the light would reach the edge of the sphere at the same time, regardless of the sphere's motion. Therefore, the entire interior of the sphere would light up at the same time, at 2 seconds. This is because the light would be traveling at the same speed in all directions, creating a uniform intensity of light throughout the sphere.

The difference between these two scenarios is due to the different assumptions about the nature of light and its behavior. In the first scenario, the ether is assumed to exist and have an effect on the speed of light, while in the second scenario, the speed of light is constant and independent of any external factors.

Overall, this thought experiment emphasizes the importance of understanding the fundamental principles of physics and how they can drastically impact our observations and understanding of the world around us.
 

Related to What Would You See in Ehrenfest's Thought Experiment?

1. What is the Ehrenfest thought experiment?

The Ehrenfest thought experiment is a physics thought experiment proposed by Dutch physicist Paul Ehrenfest in 1909. It involves a rotating disk and a ball moving on the surface of the disk, and is used to illustrate the principles of special relativity.

2. How does the Ehrenfest thought experiment demonstrate special relativity?

In the thought experiment, the disk is rotating while the ball is moving on its surface, meaning the ball is experiencing both centripetal and tangential acceleration. According to special relativity, this results in a change in the ball's mass, as well as a distortion of space and time. These effects are known as the "relativistic mass increase" and "length contraction", respectively.

3. What does the Ehrenfest thought experiment suggest about the nature of space and time?

The experiment suggests that space and time are relative and interconnected, and that they can be affected by the motion and acceleration of objects within them. This is a fundamental principle of special relativity.

4. How does the Ehrenfest thought experiment relate to the concept of a rotating reference frame?

In the thought experiment, the rotating disk is considered a rotating reference frame. This means that the laws of physics may appear different to an observer on the disk compared to an observer outside of the disk. This is due to the effects of tangential and centripetal acceleration on the objects within the rotating frame.

5. What are some real-world applications of the Ehrenfest thought experiment?

The Ehrenfest thought experiment has been used to explain various phenomena in modern physics, such as the behavior of subatomic particles in particle accelerators and the effects of gravity on objects in orbit. It also provides a conceptual framework for understanding the principles of special relativity and its applications in modern technology, such as GPS systems.

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