What is the skis co-effecient of kinetic friction with the ice?

In summary, the conversation is about finding the skis' coefficient of kinetic friction with the ice. The person initially considers using conservation of energy and trigonometry, but realizes that Sam gains energy from the thrust of the skis. They then consider using kinematics and draw a diagram to show the forces on the skier. It is pointed out that the normal force is not equal to Sam's weight, leading to a correct coefficient of 0.165.
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Sam, whose mass is 75kg takes off down a 50m high, 10° slope on his jet powered skis. The skis have a thrust of 200N Sam's speed at the bottom of the slope is 40m/s. What is the skis co-effecient of kinetic friction with the ice?



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Thought originally to use conservation of energy at top and bottom, then calculate energy loss, then find distance of slope using trigonometry thus allowing me to use w=fxd to find the frictional force acting on skis, then use Fk=μxmass, to co-effecient of kinetic friction, but soon noticed he gained energy down the slope due to his thrust! stuck??
 
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The thrust does work on Sam doesn't it?
So you could use conservation of energy or kinematics for this.
 
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Draw a diagram. Show the forces on the skier. Then write down the kinematics equations.
 
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Yes, the thurst does work, and I'm still not getting the correct answer, could someone please show me working??
 
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Show your work so people can see where you are going wrong.
 
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This is my working
 

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in equation (1) - how do you work out the friction force?
 
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You've multiplied the coefficient of friction by Sam's weight. Is the normal force equal to Sam's weight?
 
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sorry yes that's my bad equation 1 should have (co-effecient of kinetic friction)xsams normal force which is not his weight 75 but rather 735xcos(10°) which now gives a co-effecient of 0.165 which is correct thank you i would never have seen that haha
 
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No worries - we can all get blind to odd little things sometimes.
 

Related to What is the skis co-effecient of kinetic friction with the ice?

1. What is the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice?

The ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice refers to the measure of the amount of friction that exists between the ski and the ice surface when the ski is in motion. It is represented by the symbol μk and is typically a decimal value between 0 and 1.

2. How is the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice determined?

The ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice can be determined through experimentation and measurement. This involves placing a ski on a flat ice surface and measuring the force needed to keep the ski in motion at a constant speed. The coefficient of kinetic friction can then be calculated using the formula μk = F/mg, where F is the force applied, m is the mass of the ski, and g is the acceleration due to gravity.

3. What factors affect the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice?

The ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice can be affected by a variety of factors, including the surface roughness of the ice, the temperature of the ice, the pressure applied by the ski, and the presence of any lubricants or debris on the ice surface.

4. How does the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice impact skiing?

The ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice plays a significant role in skiing, as it determines the amount of resistance or drag that the skis experience when in motion. A higher coefficient of friction means that more force is required to keep the skis moving, making it more difficult to ski. Skis with a lower coefficient of friction can glide more easily on the ice, resulting in smoother and faster skiing.

5. Can the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice be changed?

Yes, the ski's coefficient of kinetic friction with ice can be altered by changing the surface conditions of the ice or by using different types of ski wax. For example, waxing the ski with a hydrophobic wax can reduce the coefficient of friction with wet or slushy ice, resulting in improved skiing performance.

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