What is the objective of proving the limit for max and min?

In summary, the conversation is about a real analysis problem involving limits and the use of the reverse triangle inequality to prove that the limit of the absolute value of the difference between two functions is equal to the absolute value of the difference between their limits. The objective is to find a delta value that makes the statement true. There is also a question about the general approach to proofs in this type of problem.
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Amad27
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Hello,

I am working towards an extremely difficult real analysis problem. The statement is as follows:

Prove that if $\lim_{x \to a} f(x) = l$ and $\lim_{x \to a} g(x) = m$ then $\lim_{x \to a} \max(f(x), g(x)) = \max(l, m)$ Some definitions:

$$\max(f, g)(x) = \frac{f + g + |g - f|}{2}$$
$$\max(l, m) = \frac{l + m + |m - l|}{2}$$

$$\lim_{{x}\to{a}} \max(f, g)(x) = \lim_{{x}\to{a}} \frac{f + g + |g - f|}{2}$$

$$= \frac{l + m}{2} + \lim_{{x}\to{a}} \frac{|g - f|}{2}$$

Somehow, the objective is to prove (using epsilon/delta) that

$$\lim_{x \to a} |g - f| = |m - l|$$

Let $H(x) = |g(x) - f(x)|$

$$\lim_{{x}\to{a}} H(x) = \lim_{{x}\to{a}} |g(x) - f(x)|$$

So prove that
$\displaystyle \left| |g(x) - f(x)| - Q \right| < \epsilon$ such that $|x - a| < \delta'$

And that $Q = |M - L|$

Can someone give me a hint, not the full solution?
 
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Hint: Use the reverse triangle inequality to show that \(\displaystyle \lim_{x\to a}(g(x) - f(x)) = m-l\) implies \(\displaystyle \lim_{x\to a}|g(x) - f(x)| = |m-l|.\)
 
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Opalg said:
Hint: Use the reverse triangle inequality to show that \(\displaystyle \lim_{x\to a}(g(x) - f(x)) = m-l\) implies \(\displaystyle \lim_{x\to a}|g(x) - f(x)| = |m-l|.\)

Hello Opalg, thank you for the pleasant reply.

$$|g(x) - f(x) - (m-l)| < \epsilon$$

$$\left| |g(x) - f(x) - (m - l)| \right| < |g(x) - f(x) - (m - l)| < \epsilon$$

Wait... so what is the objective? Do we have to find a $\delta$ so that the statement is true?

Please answer this: In general, when asked for proofs like this, are we supposed to find a $\delta$ or is the presupposition that the limit already exists, so that it is already true that $|h(x) - Q| < \epsilon$ for $|x - a| < \delta'$??

Thanks!
 

Related to What is the objective of proving the limit for max and min?

1. What is a limit proof for max and min?

A limit proof for max and min is a mathematical approach used to determine the maximum and minimum values of a function within a specific interval. It involves using the concept of limits to calculate the highest and lowest points of a function.

2. Why is a limit proof necessary for finding max and min values?

A limit proof is necessary because it provides a rigorous and systematic way of determining the extreme values of a function. It allows for a more precise and accurate calculation of max and min values, especially when dealing with complicated functions.

3. What is the difference between a local and absolute maximum or minimum?

A local maximum or minimum is a point on the graph of a function where the value is the highest or lowest within a small interval, but not necessarily the highest or lowest in the entire function. An absolute maximum or minimum, on the other hand, is the highest or lowest point of the entire function.

4. How do you find the max and min values using a limit proof?

To find the maximum or minimum values using a limit proof, you need to calculate the limit of the function as it approaches the endpoints of the given interval. The highest or lowest limit will be the max or min value, respectively.

5. Are there any limitations to using a limit proof for max and min values?

Yes, there are limitations to using a limit proof for max and min values. It may not work for all functions, especially those that are discontinuous or have vertical asymptotes. It also requires a good understanding of limits and may be time-consuming for more complex functions.

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