What is (physical) information?

In summary, the conversation revolves around the concept of information in the context of physics. The speaker shares their understanding of information as a representation of a relation or state encoded in a physical object, and how this relates to quantum mechanics and the black hole information paradox. They also mention the Shannon information equation and its application to the event horizon of a black hole. The conversation ends with a request for more information on the topic.
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momentweaver
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Hello PF!

(Not sure this is in the right section.)

I've learned very little about maths/physics in school, but went back to uni last year to do maths. Physics is still a bit of an alien territory, but nevertheless I like exploring it in my own amateur way.
One of the things that started to bother me is that the word "information" seems to be used in a slightly different way in the context of physics, a way that I am not sure I understand. For example I have seen a documentary which mentioned the holographic principle and the black hole information paradox, and I also started reading essays on the FQXi website with explore the question "is reality digital or analog?".

I understand information as a representation of a relation or state, encoded in a physical object, which can be "read" by another system that can meaningfully interpret the data and implement it in another physical system.
Now, this may be a wrong way of looking at this, but in this context the following sentence from the wikipedia entry on the black hole information paradox makes sense to me: " A postulate of quantum mechanics is that complete information about a system is encoded in its wave function, an abstract concept not present in classical physics".
But this does not explain what is meant by physical information when we don't talk about quantum mechanics (is there such a way?).
Where and how is it stored? How is it represented in a particle? How is it encoded/decoded?
The only way I can make sense of this is to think of this information as being stored outside of individual particles themselves, but instead as vibrations in their environments.
Did I understand something back to front?

Any pointers to more...uhm "information" will be welcome :)

Thank you.

MW
 
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the information revolution came with Claude Shannon's paper

wikipedia has a discussion on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon_information

basically the Shannon information eqn looks an awful lot like the Thermo eqn for entropy and the leap was made that they are one and the same.

It was then applied to conditions at the event horizon of a black hole noting that its surface area corresponds to the amount of mass in the BH and could be used to describe the entropy of the BH.

And from there physicists speculated that maybe we ourselves live in a holographic universe.
 

Related to What is (physical) information?

What is (physical) information?

Physical information refers to any type of data or knowledge that can be observed or measured in the physical world. It can include things like numbers, measurements, and observations about the natural world.

How is physical information different from other types of information?

Physical information differs from other types of information, such as digital or conceptual information, in that it is directly tied to the physical world and can be observed or measured through our senses.

What are some examples of physical information?

Examples of physical information include the weight of an object, the temperature of a room, the color of a flower, or the speed of a moving car. These are all pieces of data that can be observed and measured in the physical world.

Why is physical information important?

Physical information is important because it allows us to understand and make sense of the world around us. By collecting and analyzing physical information, we can make predictions, solve problems, and make informed decisions.

How is physical information used in scientific research?

In scientific research, physical information is used to gather evidence and support hypotheses. Scientists collect and analyze physical data to make observations, test theories, and draw conclusions about the natural world.

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