What does a general PE have to to with a S-O perturbation? Stumped

In summary: The author states that the hint provides a way to re-write the spin-orbit Hamiltonian in a general form. If you substitute in the relativistic B field, you will get a triple product involving magnetic moment, velocity, and the electric field.
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Homework Statement


Show that for a general potential energy [itex]V(r)[/itex] that the form of the spin-orbit Hamiltonian becomes

[itex]\hat{H}_{S-O}=\frac{1}{2m_{e}^{2}c^{2}|\hat{\textbf{r}}|}\frac{d\hat{V}}{dr} \hat{\textbf{L}}\cdot\hat{\textbf{S}}[/itex]

Suggestion: Start with [itex]\textbf{B} = -( \textbf{v} /c) \times \textbf{E}[/itex]

Homework Equations


The normal form of the spin-orbit Hamiltonian is

[itex]\hat{H}_{S-O}=\frac{Ze^{2}}{2m_{e}^{2}c^{2}|\hat{\textbf{r}}|^{3}}\hat{\textbf{L}}\cdot\hat{\textbf{S}}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm sorry but I don't have much. What does the hint have to do with anything?
I can see that if you plug in [itex]V(r) = \frac{-Ze^{2}}{r}[/itex] you get back the expression for the regular spin-orbit Hamiltonian. The book derives the regular Hamiltonian by setting

[itex]\textbf{B} = \frac{-Ze \textbf{v} \times \textbf{r}}{cr^{3}}[/itex]

[itex]\textbf{μ} = \frac{ge}{2m_{e}c} \textbf{S}[/itex]

So,

[itex]\hat{H}_{S-O} = -\textbf{μ} \cdot \textbf{B}[/itex]

And then the author handwaves the factor of two that comes from the Thomas precession by saying we made a relativistic error "somewhere".

I don't understand from the potential energy will arise from the hint. If I plug in the relativistic B field, I'll get a triple product involving magnetic moment, velocity and the electric field. What does this have to do with a general potential? I don't see where the insertion of the coulomb potential occurred during the derivation. Something to do with the B field? I "see" it in there.
 
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You need to relate the potential energy V(r) to the electric field E. The potential energy is V(r) = -e##\phi(r)## where ##\phi(r)## is the electric potential. How is E related to ##\phi##?
 
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Oh wow, that was "a could've had a V8" moment I was having here.

[itex]\vec{\textbf{E}} = -∇\Phi = \frac{1}{e}\frac{dV}{dr}[/itex]

I thought of this but I threw it out because "but this would only hold if all the potential energy is in the electric field!"

I just realized all the potential energy is in the electric field in a simple picture of hydrogen. For some reason I was thinking I need to put in some magnetic effects or something.

...Is it? I'm sort of confused now. Why is all the potential energy due to the electric field? Does it have something to do with the fact that magnetic fields and electric field are "the same thing" in gaussian units? Isn't spin-orbit coupling due to the magnetic field(s) an electron sets up? Is there an effective B field set up by intrinsic spin?

I think I got the problem down, but now I'm confused about the physics.
 
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There is a general result of electromagnetism (and relativity) that if there exists only an electric field E in one frame of reference, then there will generally exist both an electric field and a magnetic field B in another frame moving relatively to the first frame. B is given approximately by B = -v/c x E where v is the velocity of the "moving" frame relative to the first frame.

In the frame of reference at rest relative to the nucleus, the only significant field is assumed to be a central electric field associated with V(r). But, in a reference frame moving with one of the orbiting electrons, there is both an electric field and a magnetic field. It's this magnetic field that exists in the frame of the electron that couples with the spin to form the spin-orbit interaction.
 
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Thanks so much, it's all coming together now!
 

Related to What does a general PE have to to with a S-O perturbation? Stumped

1. What is a general PE?

General PE stands for general potential energy. It is the energy associated with the position and interaction of particles in a system.

2. What does PE have to do with a S-O perturbation?

PE plays a crucial role in S-O perturbations because it determines the stability and behavior of the system under external forces or perturbations.

3. How does PE affect S-O perturbations?

PE affects S-O perturbations by influencing the potential energy surface of the system, which in turn affects the system's response to external forces or perturbations.

4. What is the relationship between PE and S-O perturbations?

The relationship between PE and S-O perturbations is that PE dictates the behavior of the system under external forces or perturbations. A change in the potential energy surface due to S-O perturbations can alter the stability and dynamics of the system.

5. How do scientists study the effects of PE on S-O perturbations?

Scientists use various theoretical and computational methods to study the potential energy surface and its influence on the behavior of a system under S-O perturbations. They also conduct experiments and observations to validate their findings.

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