What are the solutions for (a,b) if 5a^2+5ab+5b^2=7a+14b?

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In summary, we are given the equation $5a^2+5ab+5b^2=7a+14b$. The task is to find all solutions for $(a,b)$. The correct solution is $a=4, b=5k$ with $k$ being an integer. However, the incorrect solution is $x=4, y=5k$ with $k$ being an integer. To get the correct solution, we need to use the AM-GM inequality.
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$a,b$ are all integers

(1) $if : \,\, 5a^2+5ab+5b^2=7a+14b$

please find all solutions of $(a,b)$
 
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My solution:

Applying the quadratic formula, we find:

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{(14-5a)\pm\sqrt{14^2-3(5a)^2}}{10}\)

Now we require:

\(\displaystyle 14^2-3(5a)^2\ge0\)

which implies:

\(\displaystyle a\in\{-1,0,1\}\)

Case 1: \(\displaystyle a=-1\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{19\pm11}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=3\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(-1,3)$ is a solution.

Case 2: \(\displaystyle a=0\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{14\pm14}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=0\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(0,0)$ is a solution.

Case 3: \(\displaystyle a=1\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{9\pm11}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=2\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(1,2)$ is a solution.
 
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MarkFL said:
My solution:

Applying the quadratic formula, we find:

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{(14-5a)\pm\sqrt{14^2-3(5a)^2}}{10}\)

Now we require:

\(\displaystyle 14^2-3(5a)^2\ge0\)

which implies:

\(\displaystyle a\in\{-1,0,1\}\)

Case 1: \(\displaystyle a=-1\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{19\pm11}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=3\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(-1,3)$ is a solution.

Case 2: \(\displaystyle a=0\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{14\pm14}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=0\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(0,0)$ is a solution.

Case 3: \(\displaystyle a=1\)

\(\displaystyle b=\frac{9\pm11}{10}\)

The integral value is \(\displaystyle b=2\)

Hence, $(a,b)=(1,2)$ is a solution.
thanks ,your answer is quite right(Yes)
 
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my solution:
let x=2a+b,and y=a+2b
$ \therefore a=\dfrac {2x-y}{3},\,\,b=\dfrac {2y-x}{3}$
$5(a^2+ab+b^2)=7a+14b,\,\,becomes:$
$5(x^2-xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :$y=5---(1),\,\, x^2-xy+y^2=21---(2)$
from (1)(2) (x,y)=(1,5)and (4,5)
and the corresponding (a,b)=(-1,3) and (1,2)
of course the third solution of (a,b)=(0,0)
 
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Albert said:
my solution:
let x=2a+b,and y=a+2b
$ \therefore a=\dfrac {2x-y}{3},\,\,y=\dfrac {2y-x}{3}$
$5(a^2+ab+b^2)=7a+14b,\,\,becomes:$
$5(x^2-xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :$y=5---(1),\,\, x^2-xy+y^2=21---(2)$
from (1)(2) (x,y)=(1,5)and (4,5)
and the corresponding (a,b)=(-1,3) and (1,2)
of course the third solution of (a,b)=(0,0)
not correct as below
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :y=5−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21$−−−(2)

is not strictly correctit could be

y=5k−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21k$−−−(2)
 
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kaliprasad said:
not correct as below
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y$
and we get :y=5−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21$−−−(2)

is not strictly correctit could be

y=5k−−−(1),$x^2−xy+y^2=21k$−−−(2)
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y----(@)$
we get :$21y\geq 5xy$ $(AP\geq GP)$
$\therefore x\leq 4$ (x,y being integers)
if x=4 ,y=5k
from (@) :$16-20k+25k^2=21k$
$16+25k^2=41k$
k must =1
 
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Albert said:
$5(x^2−xy+y^2)=21y----(@)$
we get :$21y\geq 5xy$ $(AP\geq GP)$
$\therefore x\leq 4$ (x,y being integers)
if x=4 ,y=5k
from (@) :$16-20k+25k^2=21k$
$16+25k^2=41k$
k must =1

could you explain me how

we get :21y≥5xy (AM≥GM) AM and GM of what ?

I an sorry that I could not understand
 
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kaliprasad said:
could you explain me how

we get :21y≥5xy (AM≥GM) AM and GM of what ?

I an sorry that I could not understand
$21y=5(x^2-xy+y^2)\geq 5(2xy-xy)=5xy$

$ for: \,\, x^2+y^2\geq 2xy \,\, (AM\geq GM) $
 
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