What Are the Correct Units for Kepler's Third Law?

In summary, it doesn't matter what units you use in Kepler's 3rd law as long as they are consistent. This is because the law is a statement about proportionality and the units will cancel out when comparing two planets orbiting the same star.
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I am confused about the units used in Kepler's 3rd law. Is T supposed to be in years or days? Is R supposed to be in kilometers or meters? Is there ever an instance where one combination of units is preferable over another (for example, if you want to use the answers from Kepler's third law to find another variable in a different equation, such as mass). After searching online, it was suggested to use Astronomical Units, but I've never been taught with those.
I know it is a simple question, just can't find a clear and concise answer.

Thanks.
 
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The clear and concise answer is: It doesn't matter what units you use, be it AU and years, kilometres and seconds, yards and fortnights - as long as you're consistent.

A more verbose answer follows.
Since Kepler's 3rd has the form:
##T^2 \propto a^3##
It's a statement about proportionality. The factor of proportionality is ##\frac{4\pi^2}{GM}##. So if you were to use the expression as:
##T^2 = \frac{4\pi^2}{GM} a^3##
then you'd have to make sure units in G and M are consistent with those you use for T and a. E.g. if you use AU for distance, you need to make sure you rescale G to be in units of ##N AU^2/kg^2##.

But, since it's a statement about proportionality, it tells you that the expression
##\frac{T^2}{a^3} = const## for all planets (of a given star).

This means, that you'd normally use it to compare two planets around the same star. So, let's say you use it for two planets 1 and 2:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
...and as long as you remembered to use the same units for both planets, all the units work out regardless of what they are.

For example. I've just came up with fanciful units for distance [glork] and time [splork].
Planet 1 orbits at a distance of 10 glorks, with a period of 1 splork.
Planet 2 orbits with a period of 20 splorks.
You want to know something about the orbital distance of the second planet, so you write:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
##a_2 = \sqrt[3]{\frac{T_2^2 a_1^3}{T_1^2}}##
And you read the right hand side as 'that many glorks'.
Or, equivalently, you write:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
##\frac{a_2}{a_1} = \sqrt[3]{\frac{T_2^2}{T_1^2}}##
And you read that as ##a_2## is 'that many times' larger/smaller than ##a_1##. Where 'that many times' is dimensionless.
 
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The clear and concise answer is: It doesn't matter what units you use, be it AU and years, kilometres and seconds, yards and fortnights - as long as you're consistent.

A more verbose answer follows.
Since Kepler's 3rd has the form:
##T^2 \propto a^3##
It's a statement about proportionality. The factor of proportionality is ##\frac{4\pi^2}{GM}##. So if you were to use the expression as:
##T^2 = \frac{4\pi^2}{GM} a^3##
then you'd have to make sure units in G and M are consistent with those you use for T and a. E.g. if you use AU for distance, you need to make sure you rescale G to be in units of ##N AU^2/kg^2##.

But, since it's a statement about proportionality, it tells you that the expression
##\frac{T^2}{a^3} = const## for all planets (of a given star).

This means, that you'd normally use it to compare two planets around the same star. So, let's say you use it for two planets 1 and 2:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
...and as long as you remembered to use the same units for both planets, all the units work out regardless of what they are.

For example. I've just came up with fanciful units for distance [glork] and time [splork].
Planet 1 orbits at a distance of 10 glorks, with a period of 1 splork.
Planet 2 orbits with a period of 20 splorks.
You want to know something about the orbital distance of the second planet, so you write:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
##a_2 = \sqrt[3]{\frac{T_2^2 a_1^3}{T_1^2}}##
And you read the right hand side as 'that many glorks'.
Or, equivalently, you write:
##\frac{T_1^2}{a_1^3} = \frac{T_2^2}{a_2^3}##
##\frac{a_2}{a_1} = \sqrt[3]{\frac{T_2^2}{T_1^2}}##
And you read that as ##a_2## is 'that many times' larger/smaller than ##a_1##. Where 'that many times' is dimensionless.
Thank you for your great explanation, that really clears things up now. I really appreciate it
 

Related to What Are the Correct Units for Kepler's Third Law?

1. What is Kepler's Third Law?

Kepler's Third Law, also known as the "Harmonic Law", states that the square of a planet's orbital period is directly proportional to the cube of its semi-major axis. In simpler terms, this means that the farther a planet is from its star, the longer it takes to complete one orbit around it.

2. What causes confusion with Kepler's Third Law?

The confusion with Kepler's Third Law often stems from the misconception that it applies to all objects orbiting a central body. In reality, this law only applies to planets orbiting stars, and does not hold true for other types of celestial bodies such as moons or artificial satellites.

3. Can Kepler's Third Law be used to calculate the distance between a planet and its star?

Yes, Kepler's Third Law can be used to calculate the distance between a planet and its star if the planet's orbital period is known. By rearranging the formula, the semi-major axis (distance between the two bodies) can be calculated by taking the cube root of the planet's orbital period squared.

4. How does Kepler's Third Law relate to the Law of Universal Gravitation?

Kepler's Third Law is directly related to the Law of Universal Gravitation, as both laws were developed by Johannes Kepler and Sir Isaac Newton. Kepler's Third Law describes the relationship between a planet's orbital period and its distance from its star, while the Law of Universal Gravitation explains the force of gravity between two objects, which influences the planet's orbital motion.

5. Are there any exceptions to Kepler's Third Law?

There are some exceptions to Kepler's Third Law, such as in binary star systems where two stars orbit each other. In this case, the orbital period and distance between the two stars do not follow the same relationship as a planet and its star. There are also some factors, such as the gravitational influence of other planets, that may slightly affect the accuracy of the law's calculations.

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