Visualising Potential Wells in Two Body Systems

In summary, the conversation discusses the modeling of the hydrogen atom as a one-body system with a fixed proton at the origin, using Coulomb's law to represent the potential. The conversation then moves on to considering the hydrogen atom as a multi-body problem, with the motion of the proton now taken into account. The potential is now a function of the separation distance and the centre of mass. The question then arises of visualizing this potential as a potential well in a 2n-dimensional "configuration space." The summary also explains that in general, with n particles, the potential becomes harder to visualize and the wave function becomes a wave in configuration space. The interpretation of a general multi-body potential is also discussed as the total potential energy of the system
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Xander314
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I am currently working through Griffiths' textbook on quantum mechanics. The hydrogen atom was first modeled as a one body system with the proton fixed at the origin. In this case the potential was given by Coulomb's law,
[tex]V(r) = -\frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{1}{r} \ ,[/tex]
where r is the radial coordinate.

This potential is easy to visualise as a "potential well" -- at least in two dimensions -- with the proton at the centre with V=-∞ and then the potential approaching 0 as r goes to ∞.

However, the hydrogen atom is then reconsidered as a multi body problem with the motion of the proton now accounted for. The positions of the particles are given by r1 and r2, and I understand the change into new coordinates: the separation distance r and the centre of mass R.

My question is this: how can the potential
[tex]V(\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2) = V(\vec{r}_1-\vec{r}_2) = V(\vec{r}) = V(|\vec{r}|) = -\frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{1}{r} [/tex]
now be visualised as a potential well. Can this only be done in some kind of 2n-dimensional "configuration space" (where n is the number of space dimensions) of tuples
[tex](\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2) \ ?[/tex]

Also, what is the interpretation of a general multi body potential
[tex]V = V(t,\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2,\ldots,\vec{r}_m) \ ?[/tex]
Is this the total potential energy of the system at time t when particle 1 is at position r1, particle 2 is at position r2 and so on?
 
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Xander314 said:
However, the hydrogen atom is then reconsidered as a multi body problem with the motion of the proton now accounted for. The positions of the particles are given by r1 and r2, and I understand the change into new coordinates: the separation distance r and the centre of mass R.

My question is this: how can the potential
[tex]V(\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2) = V(\vec{r}_1-\vec{r}_2) = V(\vec{r}) = V(|\vec{r}|) = -\frac{e^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0}\frac{1}{r} [/tex]
now be visualised as a potential well. Can this only be done in some kind of 2n-dimensional "configuration space" (where n is the number of space dimensions) of tuples
[tex](\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2) \ ?[/tex]

Well, in the two-body case since the potential only depends on the separation vector ##\vec{r}##, you can visualize it in the 3D space that ##\vec{r}## lives in. In general though, you are right: when you have ##n## particles the potential is a function of ##3n## spatial coordinates, and so becomes much harder to visualize. Note that the wave function also depends on ##3n## spatial coordinates, so when you have many particles you can no longer visualize the wave function as a wave propagating in real space. Instead it is a wave in configuration space.

Xander314 said:
Also, what is the interpretation of a general multi body potential
[tex]V = V(t,\vec{r}_1,\vec{r}_2,\ldots,\vec{r}_m) \ ?[/tex]
Is this the total potential energy of the system at time t when particle 1 is at position r1, particle 2 is at position r2 and so on?

Yes.
 
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Thanks for the help!
 

Related to Visualising Potential Wells in Two Body Systems

1. How do you define a potential well in a two-body system?

A potential well in a two-body system is a region of space where the potential energy of the system is lower than in the surrounding areas. This allows for the bodies to be attracted towards each other and remain in a stable orbit.

2. What factors determine the shape and depth of a potential well?

The shape and depth of a potential well in a two-body system is determined by the masses of the two bodies, their distance from each other, and the gravitational force between them. The stronger the gravitational force, the deeper and narrower the potential well will be.

3. How does visualizing potential wells help us understand the behavior of two body systems?

Visualizing potential wells allows us to see the relationship between the two bodies in terms of their potential energy. This helps us understand how they interact and how their orbits are affected by factors such as mass and distance. It also allows us to predict the stability of the system and the potential paths of the bodies.

4. Can potential wells exist in systems other than gravity-based two-body systems?

Yes, potential wells can exist in any two-body system where there is an attractive force between the bodies. This can include systems such as electrical charges, magnetic fields, and molecular bonds.

5. How can we use potential well visualizations to solve real-world problems?

Potential well visualizations can be used to solve real-world problems by helping us understand the stability and behavior of two-body systems. This can be applied to various fields such as astrophysics, engineering, and chemistry. For example, potential well visualizations can be used to plan satellite orbits, design stable molecular structures, and analyze the stability of planetary systems.

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