Variable Space Vacuum Tank - Pump question help

In summary, the speaker is struggling to explain a difficult concept related to their project, which involves creating a variable space vacuum tank. The tank has two openings, one connected to a pump and the other covered by a bladder and nozzle. The mechanism works by pumping air out of the tank, creating a vacuum that expands the bladder and allows for fluid to be displaced. The speaker has two questions about the efficiency of the pump in this process and the pump's performance as the bladder expands. They also mention that this type of bladder in a tank arrangement is commonly used in the aerospace industry for fuel supply systems.
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This process and mechanism is very difficult to explain via the computer and even during presentations many people simply do not grasp the concept so I am trying my best to explain it easily and ask my questions as best as I can so that you guys understand me. I really need help with these few questions as I am on the verge of completing this project.

I am creating a variable space vacuum tank and i need help.

The tank works as follows.

The tank is made of a rigid material. There are two openings on the tank.
One opening is connected to a pump
The second opening is covered by a bladder and nozzle.

(see picture at this point)Initially both the bladder and tank are at P1 and filled with air, though the bladder is collapsed so it is virtually completely empty.

The mechanism works by pumping air out of the tank which will drop the pressure in the tank.
This allows for the bladder (which is inside of the tank) to expand thus creating a vacuum.

The volume of the bladder increases as the pressure in the tank (P2) decreases because the pressure inside of the bladder (P1) remains the same.

This expansion allows the bladder to be filled with fluid as the volume must be displaced.Now my question arises

As the vacuum pump pumps air out of the tank the bladder expands.
Does this expansion of the bladder keep the volume of air (which is in the tank) dense enough to keep the pump efficiency or will the efficiency drop?

Second question:

The volume is not fixed as the bladder will expand due to vacuum and volume must be displaced within the bladder, so what do I use or how do I determine the pump efficiency during this process?
Thank you
 

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The actual configuration of the tank and bladder is largely irrelevant . All the pump sees is a decreasing pressure on the suction side . 'Efficiency' in the strict sense is probably not a very meaningful quantity in this situation . The effectiveness of the pump in reducing the tank pressure becomes less and less as the tank pressure drops .

This type of bladder in a tank arrangement is quite well known . More commonly used in the reversed configuration where the bladder is filled initially and gas pressure fed into the containing tank squeezes the bladder and forces the bladder contents out . Used in the aerospace industry for fuel supply systems in some specialist applications . Has the merit of working at any attitude and without need for pumps and tank scavenging systems .
 

Related to Variable Space Vacuum Tank - Pump question help

1. What is a Variable Space Vacuum Tank?

A Variable Space Vacuum Tank is a specialized container used in scientific experiments to create a vacuum environment for testing and research purposes. It can control the pressure and temperature of the space inside the tank, making it a versatile tool for various scientific applications.

2. How does a Variable Space Vacuum Tank work?

A Variable Space Vacuum Tank works by creating a low-pressure environment inside the tank, which is achieved by removing air and other gases from the space using a pump. The pressure and temperature can be adjusted and controlled to simulate different atmospheric conditions for experiments.

3. What is the purpose of a pump in a Variable Space Vacuum Tank?

The pump in a Variable Space Vacuum Tank is used to remove air and other gases from the tank's space, creating a vacuum. This allows scientists to control the pressure and temperature inside the tank, making it an essential tool for conducting experiments in various fields such as physics, chemistry, and engineering.

4. What are the benefits of using a Variable Space Vacuum Tank?

Using a Variable Space Vacuum Tank offers several benefits, such as creating a controlled environment for experiments, reducing contamination risks, and allowing scientists to study the behavior of materials in a vacuum. It also has practical applications in industries such as aerospace, electronics, and medicine.

5. How do I choose the right Variable Space Vacuum Tank for my research?

Choosing the right Variable Space Vacuum Tank depends on the specific needs of your research. Consider factors such as the required pressure and temperature range, the type of pump needed, and the size of the tank. It is recommended to consult with an expert or supplier to determine the best option for your research.

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