Understanding Tidal Forces on a Sphere: Do They Also Act Horizontally?

In summary, in the conversation, the topic of tidal forces on a sphere built from test particles is discussed. It is mentioned that the ball also experiences squashing in the horizontal directions, which the speaker does not understand since the gradient of gravitational force is mainly in the vertical direction. The mechanism for this squashing is questioned, as well as any distinction to the tides on Earth caused by the moon. It is clarified that there is no difference in the calculation of the changes in the gravitational force, whether acting on water or a cloud of test particles. Additionally, it is noted that there is a difference in how the oceans respond to these forces due to their nature as a more or less incompressible fluid, in contrast to the non-inter
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In http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0103044v5.pdf in page 6 it is written about a tidal forces on a sphere built up from test particles.
It is written that ball also starts to being squashed in the horizontal directions. I do not understand this. Because gradient of gravitational force is mainly in vertical direction. Is it also in horizontal direction?
What is mechanism for squashing in horizontal direction?

Is here at this ball of test particles any distinction to the tide on Earth caused by moon?
 
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exponent137 said:
Because gradient of gravitational force is mainly in vertical direction. Is it also in horizontal direction?

This is already true for Newtonian Gravity:

tide_fig2.gif


https://web.njit.edu/~gary/320/Lecture12.html
 
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Water in oceans is connected, Baez's test particles are not. Thus water must flow from elsewhere on vertical direction and it should flow elsewhere from horizontal direction. Earth gives backbone to water.
Is here any special difference to calculation because of these two reasons, or is this neglected?
 
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Water in oceans is connected, Baez's test particles are not. Thus water must flow from elsewhere on vertical direction and it should flow elsewhere from horizontal direction. Earth gives backbone to water.
Is here any special difference to calculation because of these two reasons, or is this neglected?

There is no difference. We're calculating the changes in the magnitude and direction of the gravitational force at various points and those don't care whether they're acting on water or a cloud of test particles.

(As A.T. has already pointed out, this is not a relativity question - it's just classical gravity).
 
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There is a difference is how the oceans respond to those tidal forces, as a more or less incompressible fluid constrained in its motion as you noted, instead of free non-interacting particles - though as Nugatory said, not in the forces themselves.
 
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Related to Understanding Tidal Forces on a Sphere: Do They Also Act Horizontally?

1. What is tidal force?

Tidal force is the phenomenon of the gravitational pull between two objects causing a deformation in their shape or orbit.

2. What is the Baez paper about?

The Baez paper is a scientific paper that discusses the concept of tidal force and its effects on celestial bodies, specifically focusing on the tidal force exerted by the Moon on the Earth.

3. How does tidal force affect Earth?

Tidal force from the Moon causes the Earth's oceans to bulge, creating high and low tides. It also affects the Earth's rotation, causing a slight slowdown.

4. What is the significance of the Baez paper?

The Baez paper provides a detailed analysis of tidal force and its effects, which is important in understanding the dynamics of celestial bodies and how they interact with each other.

5. How is tidal force calculated?

Tidal force is calculated using Newton's law of universal gravitation, which takes into account the masses and distances of the objects involved. It can also be calculated using mathematical equations derived from the Baez paper.

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