Understanding the Concept of Canonical Transformation in Hamiltonian Mechanics

In summary, the conversation is about a part in a book that discusses transforming from one set of conjugate variables (q,p) to another (Q,P) while preserving Hamilton's equations of motion. The speaker is confused about the concept of q and Q being separately independent, as they thought the transformation would make Q a function of q. The other speaker clarifies that for F q and Q are variables, and there should be no linear dependence between their time derivatives. The first speaker asks for further explanation, stating that if Q is a function of q, then its time derivative should be dependent on q. The other speaker responds by saying that there is no linear dependence between the time derivatives of Q and q, but there is still a relation
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There's a part in my book that I don't understand. I have attached the part and it is basically about how to transform from a set of conjugate variables (q,p) to another (Q,P) while preserving the hamilton equations of motion. I don't understand what he means by q,Q being separately independent. Don't we seek transformation where Q is a function of q. Maybe I'm just not into what he means by this independency.
 

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It's true, but he means that for F q and Q are variables, so that there's no linear dependence between their time derivatives. Such a linear dependence would spoil his argument.
 
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Please elaborate. If Q = Q(q,p,t) how is its time derivative independent of q? :(
 
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Well, what is said was that there is no linear dependence between [itex] \displaystyle{\dot{Q}} [/itex] and [itex] \displaystyle{\dot{q}} [/itex].
 
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but dQ/dt = [itex]\partial[/itex]Q/[itex]\partial[/itex]q dq/dt + ...
How is that not a relation between them?
 

Related to Understanding the Concept of Canonical Transformation in Hamiltonian Mechanics

1. What is a canonical transformation?

A canonical transformation is a mathematical transformation that preserves the Hamiltonian equations of motion. It is used to transform coordinates and momenta from one set of variables to another, while still preserving the underlying physical system.

2. Why are canonical transformations important?

Canonical transformations are important because they allow us to simplify the equations of motion for a physical system. By transforming to a new set of coordinates, we can often find simpler or more convenient equations to describe the system's behavior.

3. What are the two types of canonical transformations?

The two types of canonical transformations are point transformations and generating function transformations. Point transformations are a direct transformation of coordinates and momenta, while generating function transformations involve finding a generating function that relates the old and new coordinates and momenta.

4. How do canonical transformations relate to symplectic geometry?

Canonical transformations are closely related to symplectic geometry, a branch of mathematics that deals with the geometric properties of systems that evolve in time. The equations of motion for a physical system can be written in terms of a symplectic structure, and canonical transformations preserve this structure.

5. What are some applications of canonical transformations?

Canonical transformations have many applications in physics and engineering. They are commonly used in classical mechanics to simplify the equations of motion and find conserved quantities. They are also used in statistical mechanics to transform between different ensembles and in quantum mechanics to relate different representations of a system.

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