Understanding Complex Numbers and the cis Formula

In summary, the student is a year 11 student who is studying Specialist math (highest level of maths) early to get a head start in next year (year 12). The student does not understand how the formula works and needs help understanding it. The student has attempted C, but is not sure if it the correct method. The student has attempted D, but has not found an answer. The student believes that the equations are related to the second picture. The student is stuck and does not know how to solve the equation. The student has heard of the argand diagram and believes that the answer should be 2cis(Ө+∏). The student has solved x3=-1 using the trig functions and the polar form
  • #1
Theman123
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Hi guys, just before i ask this question i would like to let you know that i am a year 11 student, who has decided to study next years Specialist math (highest level of maths) course early to get a head start as i am nervous for next year(year 12.) :)

Homework Statement


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and

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The first one i understand part A and B i have attempted C but am not sure if it the correct method and D i have attempted but have not found an answer, i believe they are related to the second picture. I do not understand how that formula works and need help understanding it, what is the purpose of it?

Homework Equations



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and cisӨ=CosӨ+isinӨ

The Attempt at a Solution



z =2cisӨ
A) |z| = 2
arg z = Ө

B)
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Z = 2(cosӨ-isinӨ)
= 2cosӨ-isinӨ
= 2cos(-Ө)+isin(-Ө)
= 2cis(-Ө)

C) -z = -2cisӨ
= -2(cosӨ+isinӨ)
= -2cosӨ-isinӨ
= -2cosӨ+isin(-Ө)
From here i am stuck, the textbook shows the answer as 2cis(Ө+∏)

D)
_
-Z = -2(cosӨ-isinӨ)
= -2cosӨ+2isin(-Ө)
From here i am stuck again, the textbook shows the answer as 2cis( ∏-Ө)

I believe the answers are used using the formula stated above cis(Ө+k2∏)=cisӨ but i do not understand what it means or why it is used

Please remember that i am self-teaching myself this subject at the moment and will be undertaking it next year for year 12.

Thanks! :)
 
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  • #2
I took the same class as you, and it wasn't so bad. If you work at it (a couple of hours of study a night, each night) you'll probably be one of the best in the class in no time! Complex numbers was first though and it did scare quite a few students off, but trust me, it's nothing to get scared of.

Have you heard of the argand diagram? The formula you're given would make perfect sense on it. Basically on its own it's not very helpful, but where it becomes useful is in finding roots of polynomials later on. For example, x3=1, the solution is 1, right? Well, there is a theorem that states that for an nth degree polynomial, there are n roots (but not all are necessarily distinct, which means they're not all different). There are in fact 3 roots in that equation, and you could solve it by factoring, such as
x3-1=0
(x-1)(x2+x+1)=0

Then solve each factor, but there is also another way using the polar form of complex numbers that can quickly and easily find the roots of x3=-1, and when you learn about that you'll need to use the [itex]+2k\pi[/itex] at the end.Ok enough about that, for

c)
Again the argand diagram would be helpful in knowing what the answer should be, but I'll assume you don't. In that case you need to use the properties of the trig functions, such as how you earlier used -sin(x)=sin(-x)
Expand [itex]\cos(\pi+x)[/itex] and [itex]\sin(\pi+x)[/itex]. See what you get.

d)
Again it's similar to c. There are some relations between trigs such as [itex]\sin(\pi/2-x)=cos(x)[/itex] which are quite useful in certain situations such as these.
 
  • #3
EDIT: sorry for edit, i did the question wrong again, but i found that cos(pi+x)=cos(pi-x)=-cosx and that sin(pi+x)=-sinx=sin(-x) my working out for C is...

-z=-2cisx
=-2cos(x)-isin(x)
= 2cos(x)+isin(-x)
=2cos(pi+x)+2isin(pi+x)
= 2cis(pi+x)
Ill attempt D and edit when I am done thanks! :))

D)

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-z= -2cos(pi+x)-2isin(pi+x)
= 2cos(pi-x)+2isin(pi+x) (as cos(pi+x)=cos(pi-x) ) and (sin(pi+x)=-sinx=sin(-x)
= 2cis(pi-x)
Hows that, Mentallic? :)
 
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Theman123 said:
EDIT: sorry for edit, i did the question wrong again, but i found that cos(pi+x)=cos(pi-x)=-cosx and that sin(pi+x)=-sinx=sin(-x) my working out for C is...

-z=-2cisx
=-2cos(x)-isin(x)
= 2cos(x)+isin(-x)
=2cos(pi+x)+2isin(pi+x)
= 2cis(pi+x)
Ill attempt D and edit when I am done thanks! :))

D)

_
-z= -2cos(pi+x)-2isin(pi+x)
= 2cos(pi-x)+2isin(pi-x) (as cos(pi+x)=cos(pi-x) ) and (sin(pi+x)=-sinx=sin(-x)
= 2cis(pi-x)
Hows that, Mentallic? :)
Fixed and done! :smile:
 
  • #5
yeyy! :)) does that come up a lot the use of trig in complex numbers? do you mind if i ask you another quick question?

I know how to solve this following question but i don't know what radians to use for
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Why do they use 3pi/12 and 4pi/12, why not 11pi/12 and pi/12 ? they all add up to the same value, do they all work the same or is their a rule to which raidans to use?

For example what radians would we use with this and why use a specific amount of radians rather then another group of radians or does it not matter? cos(11pi/12), sin(11pi/12)
to find in simplest form.

Thanks, sorry to bother! :)
 
  • #6
Because there are some angles that give "nice" results.

[tex]\cos\frac{3\pi}{12}=\cos\frac{\pi}{4}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}[/tex]

and

[tex]\cos\frac{4\pi}{12}=\cos\frac{\pi}{3}=\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

Similarly for sin(x), we know how to calculate it quickly and easily if the angle of x is any of the following:

[tex]0,\frac{\pi}{6},\frac{\pi}{4},\frac{\pi}{3},\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]

and any integer multiples of those.

The question is interesting because it gives us an exact answer to [itex]\cos\frac{7\pi}{12}[/itex] and [itex]\sin\frac{7\pi}{12}[/itex] which we wouldn't have known otherwise. If you used other angles such as [itex]\pi/12[/itex] and [itex]\pi/2[/itex] (which adds to [itex]7\pi/12[/itex]) then we don't know how to evaluate the cosine and sine of [itex]\pi/12[/itex] so it's pretty useless.

By the way, you couldn't use 11pi/12 and pi/12 anyway because they don't add to [itex]7\pi/12[/itex]
 
  • #7
Okay i understand now so prety much just the simplest ones which i can evaluate using the unit circle or general knowledge, i was using my calculator to evaluate. I don't know why i said 11pi/12 and pi/12 must have read the question wrong.

Thank you very much for your assistance it has helped me a lot!

Thanks! :)
 
  • #8
You're welcome :smile:
 

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1. What is the complex number theorem?

The complex number theorem is a mathematical rule that explains how to perform operations with complex numbers, which are numbers that have both a real and imaginary part. It states that the sum, difference, product and quotient of any two complex numbers is also a complex number.

2. Why is complex number theorem important?

The complex number theorem is important because it allows us to solve problems involving complex numbers, which are essential in many fields of science and engineering. It also provides a deeper understanding of the properties of complex numbers and their relationships with other mathematical concepts.

3. How do you prove the complex number theorem?

The complex number theorem can be proven using basic algebra and the properties of complex numbers. The proof involves showing that the sum, difference, product and quotient of two complex numbers can be expressed in the form of a complex number, using the properties of real and imaginary numbers.

4. Can the complex number theorem be applied to real numbers?

Yes, the complex number theorem can be applied to real numbers, as real numbers can also be expressed as complex numbers with a zero imaginary part. This means that the theorem still holds true for real numbers, as all the operations can be performed in the same way.

5. How can I use the complex number theorem in my research?

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