Troubles with a Dynamics exercise

In summary, the conversation discusses two carts on a flat surface being pushed by an external force. The masses of the carts and the intensity and direction of the forces exerted by each cart on the other are given. After attempting to solve the system, it is determined that the equations used were incorrect and Newton's second and third laws must be applied to find the correct forces. The final result is that the force exerted by cart 1 on cart 2 is 4N and the force exerted by cart 2 on cart 1 is -4N.
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Homework Statement



Two carts (1&2) on a flat surface, are pushed by an external force (##\vec{F}##), exerted on 1 (the carts are motionless and touching each other).

Consider the two objects as particles and take no notice of any friction.

F=12N; mass of 1 (##m_1##)=4,0 kg; mass of 2 (##m_2##)= 2,0 kg.
Find the intensity and the direction of the force exerted by 1 on 2 (##\vec{F_{12}}##) and the force exerted by 2 on 1 (##\vec{F_{21}}##)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried solving the system given by:
##\vec{F_{12}}=\vec{F} - \vec{F_{21}}## and ##\vec{F_{21}}= m_2 * a##

obtaining:
##m_1 * a = 12 - m_2 *a## ##\Rightarrow## ##a=2,0 m/s^2##

and thus:
##\vec{F_{21}}=2,0kg * (-2,0 m/s^2)=-4 N## with the minus sign, as this force is opposite to F
##\Rightarrow## ##\vec{F_{12}}=16N##
which, according to my textbook is not the right result.
I don't get where are the mistakes, though. Can anyone help me please?
 
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  • #2
Your first equations are not right - you're mixing forces acting on different objects.
You need to draw some free-body diagrams and then apply Newton 2 to them.

What will be the relation between the 2 forces you're asked to find?
 
  • #3
Felafel said:
##\vec{F_{12}}=\vec{F} - \vec{F_{21}}##
This violates Newton's 3rd law.
 
  • #4
allright, should it be like this then?
i find the acceleration, which is:
##a=\frac{\vec{F}}{m_1+m_2}## = ##2 m/s^2##
in the free-body diagram of 1 there is ##\vec{F_{21}}##
so I multiply the acceleration for ##m_2##, which gives ##\vec{F_{21}}=-4N## (because its direction is opposite to that of the x-axis)
and, for Newton 3, there must be an equal and opposite force, which means ##\vec{F_{12}}=4N##
 
  • #5
Felafel said:
allright, should it be like this then?
i find the acceleration, which is:
##a=\frac{\vec{F}}{m_1+m_2}## = ##2 m/s^2##
in the free-body diagram of 1 there is ##\vec{F_{21}}##
so I multiply the acceleration for ##m_2##, which gives ##\vec{F_{21}}=-4N## (because its direction is opposite to that of the x-axis)
and, for Newton 3, there must be an equal and opposite force, which means ##\vec{F_{12}}=4N##

Yes, this looks right :)
You can check the answer by seeing that the resultant force on m1 is therefore 8N which agrees with its acceleration.
 

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