Total mass in the universe = infinite (Dirac Sea calculation)

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of an infinite collection of negative energy electrons known as the "Dirac sea" and how it was originally postulated by Dirac to explain the behavior of electrons. However, it is now known that these negative energy solutions are actually positive energy solutions carried by the antiparticles of electrons. Despite this, the concept of a Dirac sea is still used in some contexts, but is not considered fundamental.
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I calculate that the total mass in the universe is infinite.

If there is an infinite number of negative energy states an electron can occupy and all the states must be filled with the lowest energy state being an infinite sea of electrons, then the total mass of the universe must be infinite.

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...This had the uncomfortable consequence that an electron could radiate energy indefinitely, as it dropped into ever lower negative energy states. To avoid this problem,
Dirac postulated that every negative energy state was filled; the lowest energy state in
nature being an infinite collection of negative energy electrons known as the "Dirac
sea." theory also allowed for the possibility than a negative energy electron could
absorb a photon and jump to a positive energy level, leaving an unoccupied position
in the negative energy levels. It turned out that this unoccupied position would
behave in every way as though it were itself a particle with the electron mass and
spin, but with the opposite charge: a "positron." These particles were discovered by
Anderson, in cosmic ray studies, just a few years after their existence was predicted
by Dirac.
 
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The postulate is outdated and should quickly be forgotten. Dirac attributed the negative energy solutions of the Dirac equation to excited electrons that leave "holes" in the Dirac sea. But we now know that these negative energy solutions are in fact positive energy solutions carried by the antiparticles of the electrons. There is no Dirac sea (although there are some nice condensed matter examples, but these are not fundamental).
 
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xepma said:
The postulate is outdated and should quickly be forgotten. Dirac attributed the negative energy solutions of the Dirac equation to excited electrons that leave "holes" in the Dirac sea. But we now know that these negative energy solutions are in fact positive energy solutions carried by the antiparticles of the electrons. There is no Dirac sea (although there are some nice condensed matter examples, but these are not fundamental).

But the anti-particles were just unoccupied spaces within the filled negative energy levels that Dirac postulated would act exactly like a particle with opposite charge. The fact that there is proof of anti-particles supports the theory, it does not replace it.
 

Related to Total mass in the universe = infinite (Dirac Sea calculation)

1. What is the "Dirac Sea calculation" and how does it relate to the total mass in the universe?

The Dirac Sea calculation is a theoretical concept in quantum mechanics proposed by physicist Paul Dirac. It suggests that the vacuum of space is filled with an infinite number of negative energy particles, often referred to as the "Dirac Sea." This calculation is used to estimate the total mass in the universe, as it takes into account all the particles present in the vacuum of space.

2. Is the total mass in the universe really infinite according to the Dirac Sea calculation?

No, the concept of an infinite mass in the universe is a theoretical concept and is not supported by scientific evidence. While the Dirac Sea calculation may suggest an infinite mass, it is just a mathematical approximation and does not reflect the actual mass of the universe.

3. How accurate is the Dirac Sea calculation in estimating the total mass in the universe?

The Dirac Sea calculation is a theoretical concept and therefore cannot be accurately measured or confirmed. It is just one of many theoretical approaches used to estimate the total mass in the universe, and its accuracy is still a topic of debate among scientists.

4. Can the Dirac Sea calculation be used to explain dark matter and dark energy?

While the Dirac Sea calculation is often used in discussions about dark matter and dark energy, it is not a definitive explanation for these phenomena. The true nature of dark matter and dark energy is still not fully understood and requires further research and evidence.

5. Are there any other theories or calculations that can estimate the total mass in the universe?

Yes, there are many other theories and calculations used to estimate the total mass in the universe, such as the critical density calculation and the cosmic microwave background radiation measurement. These approaches often provide different estimates, and it is important to consider all of them when studying the mass of the universe.

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