Time reversal and herring test

In summary, according to J. O. Dimmock Phys. Rev. (1962), the group Pnnm(58) consists of the time reversal degenerated representations $\Gamma_{3}^+$ and $\Gamma_{4}^+$, with a corresponding Herring test result of 0 for $\Sigma\chi\{R^2\}$. However, despite multiple attempts, the speaker has not been able to reproduce this result. It is noted that some other workers, including D.D. Sell, R. Loudon, and J.O. Dimmock, believe that $\Gamma_{3}^+$ and $\Gamma_{4}^+$ should still be time reversal degenerate. However, it is stated that for
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In the group of Pnnm(58), according to J. O. Dimmock Phys. Rev.(1962), [tex] $\Gamma_{3}^+$ [/tex] and [tex] $\Gamma_{4}^+$[/tex] should be time reversal degenerated and that means [tex] $\Sigma\chi\{R^2\}$[/tex] should be 0. I've attached my result using Herring test. I cannot get 0 for these two representations even though I have tried hard. Any suggestions are appreciable!
 

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It seems you are considering the irreps of the double group #58. The \gamma^+ and ^- for 1-4 are the irreps of the simple group #58, and they are 1 dimensional real representations and thus by definition cannot be complex and Herring must be +1. \Gamma_5^+ and - are indeed 2 dimensional and complex and might be have herring=0...
 
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Yes, that is the same as what I derived, but a lot of workers include D.D. Sell, R. Loudon, and J.O. Dimmock think [tex] $\Gamma_{3}^+$ [/tex] and [tex] $\Gamma_{4}^+$[/tex] should be time reversal degenerate. It is really a small chance that they are all wrong.
 
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For any real irrep you will have herring=+1. In case of 1 dimensional irrep characters==matrises, so the irreps \Gamma_3 and 4 are real. No chance to get herring=0...
 

Related to Time reversal and herring test

1. What is time reversal testing?

Time reversal testing, also known as time reversal imaging, is a technique used in geophysics to locate and characterize underground structures. It involves sending a signal into the ground and recording the reflections of that signal, which are then reversed in time and played back to create a detailed image of the subsurface.

2. How does the herring test work?

The herring test is a method for measuring the integrity of a wire or cable by sending an electrical pulse through it and measuring the time it takes to reach the other end. If the wire is intact, the pulse will travel at a consistent speed, but if there is a break or damage in the wire, the pulse will be delayed or disrupted. This can help identify and locate faults in the wire.

3. What are the applications of time reversal testing?

Time reversal testing has a variety of applications, including mineral exploration, oil and gas exploration, and civil engineering projects. It can be used to map geological structures, locate underground utilities, and detect potential hazards such as sinkholes or voids.

4. What types of data are collected during a herring test?

During a herring test, data such as the time of flight, amplitude, and phase of the electrical pulse are collected and analyzed. This data can then be used to determine the location and severity of any faults in the wire.

5. What are the advantages of using time reversal testing over other methods?

Time reversal testing has several advantages over other methods of subsurface imaging, including its ability to provide high-resolution images, its non-invasive nature, and its ability to work in complex geological environments. Additionally, it does not require specialized equipment or extensive training, making it a cost-effective and efficient option for subsurface investigations.

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