Time in relativity and the CMB

In summary: So in summary, the CMB frame is more special than the frame in which Lincoln was shot because it simplifies the math for dealing with the expansion of the universe.
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palmer eldtrich
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As understand relativity there is no "absolute time" however I have its possible to use the CMb as a way round this? Is this right and how does it work?
 
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What makes the CMB frame more special than the frame where Lincoln was shot?
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
What makes the CMB frame more special than the frame where Lincoln was shot?
Bad example, Lincoln being shot is an event which occurred in all frames. He was not not shot in the rest frame of the galactic center.
 
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palmer eldtrich said:
As understand relativity there is no "absolute time" however I have its possible to use the CMb as a way round this? Is this right and how does it work?
The CMB does provide a valid choice of a reference frame. This choice of reference frame turns out to be very useful in that it simplifies the math for dealing with the expansion of the universe.

But it's still a choice: it's perfectly valid to select different reference frames. The math all still works in a different frame, and any physical calculation you do to predict an experimental result will come up with the exact same prediction.
 
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Orodruin said:
an event which occurred in all frames

I don't understand this. An event doesn't occur in a frame. An event occurs in real life. A frame is how we assign coordinates to that event.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I don't understand this. An event doesn't occur in a frame. An event occurs in real life. A frame is how we assign coordinates to that event.
The point is that regardless of how you assign coordinates, Lincoln was shot. This is an event which, as you say, did not occur in a frame. You seemed to want to assign events to frames since you were talking about the frame in which Lincoln was shot.
 
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Orodruin said:
The point is that regardless of how you assign coordinates, Lincoln was shot. This is an event which, as you say, did not occur in a frame. You seemed to want to assign events to frames since you were talking about the frame in which Lincoln was shot.

So to make Vanadium50's point by rhetorical question, we need a different rhetorical question. How about "What makes the CMB frame more special than the frame in which the bullet that killed Lincoln was at rest?".
 
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palmer eldtrich said:
As understand relativity there is no "absolute time" however I have its possible to use the CMb as a way round this? Is this right and how does it work?
Not right.
There are some problems for which it is convenient to attach times to events using coordinates in which the CMB is isotropic, but that doesn't make those times any more "absolute" than any other. There are plenty of other problems for which those coordinates would be wildly inconvenient, and no problem in which the physics requires us to use them.
 
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Nugatory said:
"What makes the CMB frame more special than the frame in which the bullet that killed Lincoln was at rest?".

Well, I was thinking about the frame where Lincoln was at rest, but we can make it the bullet.
 

Related to Time in relativity and the CMB

1. What is time dilation in relativity?

Time dilation is a phenomenon in which time appears to run slower for an object moving at high speeds or in a strong gravitational field. This is a fundamental concept in Einstein's theory of relativity and is based on the idea that the laws of physics are the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion or position.

2. How does the cosmic microwave background (CMB) relate to time in relativity?

The CMB is a remnant of the light emitted shortly after the Big Bang and is often referred to as the "oldest light" in the universe. Its existence and characteristics play a crucial role in understanding the evolution of the universe and the concept of time in relativity. The CMB provides evidence for the expansion of the universe and allows us to measure the age of the universe.

3. What is the significance of the CMB's temperature in relation to time in relativity?

The CMB has a nearly uniform temperature of 2.7 Kelvin, which is considered a constant background temperature for the universe. However, the CMB temperature can vary slightly due to the effects of the expansion of the universe and the presence of matter and energy. This temperature is also used as a reference point for understanding the thermal history of the universe and the progression of time in relativity.

4. Can time be affected by gravity and the curvature of spacetime?

Yes, according to Einstein's theory of general relativity, gravity is the curvature of spacetime caused by massive objects. This curvature can also affect the passage of time, as gravity can slow down time in strong gravitational fields. This has been demonstrated through experiments such as the famous "twin paradox" where one twin ages slower than the other due to being in a different gravitational environment.

5. How does the concept of time in relativity differ from our everyday experience of time?

In relativity, time is considered a relative concept, meaning that it can be experienced differently by different observers depending on their relative motion and position. This is in contrast to our everyday experience of time, where it is perceived as a constant and unchanging entity. Additionally, the idea of time being affected by gravity and the curvature of spacetime is also not something we typically encounter in our everyday lives.

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