Thermodynamics of Black Holes: Analyzing Carnot Cycles

In summary: The other two sides are adiabats (constant entropy curves), which are the same as isochores for a static black hole. So this type of engine is easy to analyze because all the curves are simple and well-behaved.In summary, the paper discusses the Carnot cycle in a black hole and states that for a static black hole, isochoric curves are the same as adiabatic curves. It also mentions that having an explicit expression for Cp allows for easier analysis of an engine with two isobars and two isochores/adiabats. However, it is not explicitly stated that Cp non-zero implies the existence of isobars curves.
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Hello,

I did read one paper about the Carnot cycle in a black hole. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.5982.pdf

After formula (15) this paper says:

1) "The vanishing of CV is the “isochore equals adiabat” result, specific to static black holes, making our Carnot cycles particularly simple to make explicit. We can put a Carnot cycle on the diagram by picking two isotherms for TH and TC, and then dropping two vertical lines between them to close the loop as we did in figure 2."

The vanishing of CV implies that there are isochores curves?

2) "Actually, an explicit expression for Cp would suggest that we ought to have a new engine that we can analyze simply, involving two isobars and two isochores/adiabats"

Cp non zero implies that there are isobars curves.

¿there is someone that understand these two arguments?
 
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PeteSampras said:
The vanishing of CV implies that there are isochores curves?

That's not what the paper says. The paper says that, for a static black hole, isochoric (constant volume) curves are the same as adiabatic (constant entropy) curves. As the paper says, this is because, for a static black hole, entropy and volume (more precisely the "volume" that appears in the extended black hole thermodynamic equations given in the paper) both depend on the horizon radius, so either one being constant requires the other to be constant as well (since it means the horizon radius is constant).

PeteSampras said:
Cp non zero implies that there are isobars curves.

That's not what the paper says. It says that if you have an explicit expression for ##C_p##, it's easy to analyze an engine where two sides of the loop are isobars (constant pressure curves).
 
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1. What is the thermodynamics of black holes?

The thermodynamics of black holes is a branch of physics that studies the relationship between heat, energy, and work in the context of black holes. It involves analyzing the thermodynamic properties of black holes, such as their temperature, entropy, and energy, and how they relate to the laws of thermodynamics.

2. How do black holes interact with thermodynamic processes?

Black holes interact with thermodynamic processes through the exchange of energy and heat. Just like any other system, they follow the laws of thermodynamics, such as the conservation of energy and the increase of entropy. However, due to their extreme gravitational pull and the presence of an event horizon, black holes exhibit unique thermodynamic properties that make them intriguing objects to study.

3. What is a Carnot cycle and how does it relate to black holes?

A Carnot cycle is a theoretical thermodynamic cycle that describes the most efficient way of converting heat into work and vice versa. It involves a series of reversible processes between a hot and cold reservoir. In the context of black holes, the event horizon of a black hole can be considered as the hot reservoir, while the surrounding space acts as the cold reservoir. Analyzing Carnot cycles in this scenario can provide insights into the thermodynamic properties of black holes.

4. Can black holes violate the laws of thermodynamics?

No, black holes cannot violate the laws of thermodynamics. While they may exhibit unique thermodynamic properties, they still follow the fundamental laws of thermodynamics, such as energy conservation and the increase of entropy. In fact, studying the thermodynamics of black holes can help us better understand and confirm these laws.

5. What are some real-world applications of studying the thermodynamics of black holes?

The study of black hole thermodynamics has many potential real-world applications. It can help us better understand the behavior of other systems that exhibit extreme thermodynamic properties, such as neutron stars. It can also provide insights into the behavior of matter in extreme environments, which can be useful for space exploration and the development of new technologies. Additionally, it can help us gain a deeper understanding of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics and their applicability to different systems.

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