Thermodynamics: Dead state assumptions

In summary, the water in the system is a super heated vapor, and the dead state is a compressed liquid.
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Im having a little trouble with knowing what to assume for the dead state! In the question that I posted, I don't understand how they knew to assume that the water in the system is a super heated vapor? Or how they knew that the dead state is a compressed liquid?

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Homework Statement


Im having a little trouble with knowing what to assume for the dead state! In the question that I posted, I don't understand how they knew to assume that the water in the system is a super heated vapor? Or how they knew that the dead state is a compressed liquid?

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The Attempt at a Solution

You have to match the conditions given in the problem statement with the particular portion of the steam tables you are using.

You can determine the state of the water at P = 1 bar and T = 100 °C by checking the saturation line. Remember, 1 bar is not quite the same pressure as 1 atmosphere (1 atm. = 1.01325 bar), so these conditions suggest that the water is in vapor form. Checking the saturation line for 1 bar will give the corresponding saturation temperature, which will be slightly below 100 °C. Therefore, you can conclude that the vapor is technically superheated, but only by the barest of margins.

As for the conditions of water in the surroundings, P = 1 bar and T = 20 °C, it's safe to assume that these conditions reasonably approximate standard conditions, and water is a liquid. That this is called "compressed liquid" in the steam tables is, I think, a way to distinguish the liquid phase from the saturated condition, where vapor and liquid coexist in equilibrium. The temperature of 20 °C is certainly well below the saturation temperature of water at a pressure of 1 bar.
 
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Related to Thermodynamics: Dead state assumptions

1. What are dead state assumptions in thermodynamics?

Dead state assumptions in thermodynamics refer to the concept of considering a system to be at equilibrium when it is in contact with a large reservoir at a constant temperature and pressure. This allows for the simplification of calculations and analysis of thermodynamic processes.

2. Why are dead state assumptions important in thermodynamics?

Dead state assumptions are important because they provide a standard reference state for the analysis of thermodynamic processes. This allows for the comparison and evaluation of different systems and their energy interactions.

3. How do dead state assumptions affect thermodynamic calculations?

Dead state assumptions simplify thermodynamic calculations by providing a reference state with known properties. This allows for the application of thermodynamic laws and equations to determine the energy interactions and changes within a system.

4. Are dead state assumptions valid in all thermodynamic processes?

No, dead state assumptions are only valid in certain conditions where a system can be considered to be at equilibrium. For example, they are not valid in non-equilibrium processes such as chemical reactions or phase changes.

5. Can dead state assumptions be applied to real-world systems?

Yes, dead state assumptions can be applied to real-world systems as long as the conditions of equilibrium are met. However, they may not always accurately represent the behavior of a system as they are idealized assumptions and do not account for external factors such as friction or heat loss.

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