Thermodyn.: ideal gases in 2 two chambers separated by a sliding barrier

In summary, the question asks for the ratio of V2/V1 at T1 for two ideal gases separated by a sliding barrier. Using the equations P=F/A, W=mg, and PV=nRT, we can calculate the equilibrium forces at T0 and T1. By setting the forces equal at both temperatures and using the fact that Vtotal=V1+V2, we can eliminate V2 and solve for V1 in terms of T1, T0, and Vtotal. From there, we can determine the ratio of V2/V1 at T1.
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Homework Statement


Two different ideal gases are separated by a sliding barrier that can move vertically. The gas in the upper chamber 1 has n moles of material, whilst the gas in the lower chamber 2 has 3n moles of material. At T0 the weight of the barrier is such that the volumes of the two chambers are equal. What is the ratio of V2/V1at T1.

Homework Equations



P = F/A
W = mg
PV = nRT

The Attempt at a Solution



Equilibrium at T0: F2 = F1 + W
where the Fi are the forces from the i gas on the barrier.

therefore W = F2 - F1 = A(P2 - P1)
[itex] \frac{3AnRT_{0}}{V_{2}} - \frac{AnRT_{0}}{V_{1}} = \frac{2AnRT_{0}}{V_{0}} [/itex], because [itex]V_{0} = V_{1}(T_{0}) = V_{2}(T_{0})[/itex]
further [itex] W = \frac{4AnRT_{0}}{V} [/itex], because [itex]V_{0} = \frac{V}{2}[/itex] where V is the total volume of the two chambers!

Now I want to check equilibrium forces at T1 but using F2 = F1 + W for T1 and substituting for constant weight will not allow me to calculate the ratio V2/V1!
 
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Hi, sunrah.

Can you use the fact that Vtotal = V1 + V2 to eliminate V2, say, from your equation F2=F1+W at T1? Then maybe you can solve for V1 in terms of T1, T0, and Vtotal. Once you have V1 you should be able to get an expression for V2 and then construct the ratio of the final volumes.
 

Related to Thermodyn.: ideal gases in 2 two chambers separated by a sliding barrier

1. What is the ideal gas law and how does it apply to this scenario?

The ideal gas law, also known as the general gas equation, is a mathematical equation that describes the relationship between the pressure, volume, and temperature of an ideal gas. It states that the product of pressure and volume is directly proportional to the absolute temperature of the gas and the number of moles of the gas. In this scenario, the ideal gas law can be used to calculate the pressure, volume, and temperature of the gases in the two chambers before and after the sliding barrier is moved.

2. How does the sliding barrier affect the pressure, volume, and temperature of the gases?

When the sliding barrier is moved, it changes the volume of the two chambers and allows the gases to mix and reach equilibrium. This results in a change in pressure and temperature of the gases. The pressure will decrease if the volume increases and vice versa, according to Boyle's law. Additionally, the temperature will change according to Charles's law, which states that the volume of a gas is directly proportional to its absolute temperature when pressure is held constant.

3. What is the significance of using ideal gases in this scenario?

Ideal gases are used in this scenario because they follow the ideal gas law, which makes calculations easier and more accurate. Ideal gases are assumed to have no intermolecular forces, occupy no volume, and undergo elastic collisions. While real gases may deviate from these assumptions, ideal gases can provide a good approximation in many scenarios, including this one.

4. Can the ideal gas law still be applied if the gases are not ideal?

Yes, the ideal gas law can still be used to approximate the behavior of real gases. However, in some cases, corrections may need to be applied to account for the deviations from the ideal gas law. For example, if the gases in the chambers have strong intermolecular forces, the Van der Waals equation can be used to account for these forces and provide a more accurate calculation of pressure and volume.

5. How does the ideal gas law relate to the kinetic theory of gases?

The ideal gas law is derived from the kinetic theory of gases, which states that gases consist of particles in constant motion and that the pressure of a gas is caused by the collisions of these particles with the walls of their container. The ideal gas law uses this concept to describe the behavior of gases in terms of their volume, pressure, and temperature. It assumes that the average kinetic energy of the gas particles is directly proportional to the absolute temperature of the gas, which is consistent with the kinetic theory of gases.

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