The Speed of Light: Comparing Photon and EM Wave Velocities

In summary, the conversation discusses the velocity of a photon, which is always equal to the speed of light in a vacuum (c), but may be slower in a medium. It is clarified that a photon and an EM wave are two names for the same thing, and the difference in terminology is due to different modeling approaches. The conversation also addresses confusion about whether the velocity of a photon is different from that of a classical EM wave, and it is explained that they are the same thing. The conversation ends by suggesting to refer to an existing thread discussing the same topic.
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Velocity of photon allways is c(photon is massless particle).While velocity of EM wave in medium < c.So does velocity of photon need not allways equal velocity of EM wave?
 
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A photon is an EM wave. Two names for the same thing, just different languages (classical vs. quantum).
 
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So velocity of photon is difference with classical EM wave(superposition of many photons)'s velocity?
 
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fxdung said:
So velocity of photon is difference with classical EM wave(superposition of many photons)'s velocity?
No. Photons and EM waves move at the same speed. They are the same thing.
 
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But in medium speed of photon is c but speed of light is v<c?
 
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fxdung said:
But in medium speed of photon is c but speed of light is v<c?
No. THEY ARE THE SAME. It's just two different ways of modeling reality. The quantum approach (photons) is more accurate, but the classical approach (waves) is amazingly good (for something that's wrong) at solving large scale scale EM problems with easier math.

Check out this video. They'll explain it better than I can.
 
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fxdung said:
Velocity of photon allways is c(photon is massless particle).While velocity of EM wave in medium < c.So does velocity of photon need not allways equal velocity of EM wave?

You are trying to mix together a classical model of light and a quantum model of light. That doesn't work.

Furthermore, you already have an open thread where this same confusion has been addressed:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...t-wavetrain-corresponding-with-photon.999282/

So there's no point in having this separate thread open to rehash the same confusion.

Thread closed.
 
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Related to The Speed of Light: Comparing Photon and EM Wave Velocities

1. What is the speed of light?

The speed of light is a fundamental constant in physics, denoted by the letter c. In a vacuum, it has a precise value of 299,792,458 meters per second (m/s) or approximately 186,282 miles per second (mi/s).

2. How is the speed of light measured?

The speed of light can be measured using various experimental methods, including the use of lasers, mirrors, and precise timing techniques. One of the most accurate methods involves using the time it takes for light to travel between two points, divided by the distance between those points.

3. What is the relationship between photons and the speed of light?

Photons are particles of light that travel at the speed of light. This means that the speed of light is the maximum speed at which anything in the universe can travel, including photons. As photons have no mass, they are able to travel at this speed without any resistance.

4. How does the speed of light compare to other velocities?

The speed of light is incredibly fast, but it is not the fastest speed in the universe. The theory of relativity states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. However, there are some particles, such as neutrinos, that have been observed to travel at speeds very close to the speed of light.

5. Can the speed of light be changed?

No, the speed of light is a constant and cannot be changed. It is a fundamental property of the universe and is the same for all observers, regardless of their relative motion. However, the speed of light can be affected by the medium it is traveling through, causing it to slow down or change direction.

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