The probability when the wave-function collapses

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In summary, the conversation discusses the projection postulate and the Born rule in quantum mechanics. The Born rule is used to calculate probabilities for different measurement outcomes, while the projection postulate describes the collapse of the wave-function to one of its eigenstates during measurement. The two concepts are closely related and are used in various exercises and examples in textbooks on QM.
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Hello, everyone. The projection postulate says the wave-function collapses to one of its eigenstates under measurement, does it talk about each probability with which the wave-function collapses to those possible eigenstates?
 
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No, the probabilities for the different measurement outcomes are part of a another postulate which is called the Born rule.
 
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kith said:
No, the probabilities for the different measurement outcomes are part of a another postulate which is called the Born rule.
Thanks. So the Born rule and Born's ##\psi## interpretation are two different things?(Sorry I can't visit wiki )
 
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No, they are the same (or at least closely related).
 
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kith said:
No, they are the same (or at least closely related).
Why do you say they are the same? Born rule is for measurement, while the Born's ##\psi## interpretation is for the probability distribution in the space of particles(which has nothing to do with measurement). Shouldn't they have nothing to do with each other?
 
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thaiqi said:
Born rule is for measurement, while the Born's ##\psi## interpretation is for the probability distribution in the space of particles(which has nothing to do with measurement).
That's not correct. There isn't a probability distribution independent of measurements in QM. ##|\psi(x)|^2## being a probability density is just the Born rule in the special case of position being measured.

What is this thread about?
 
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kith said:
What is this thread about?
Sorry I don't understand this question.
 
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thaiqi said:
Sorry I don't understand this question.

His question means that we don't understand what your issue is.
 
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PeterDonis said:
His question means that we don't understand what your issue is.
Are there any exercises examples that use this projection postulate and need to use Born rule when computing?
 
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thaiqi said:
Are there any exercises examples that use this projection postulate and need to use Born rule when computing?

Have you tried looking in textbooks on QM? They have lots of exercises.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Have you tried looking in textbooks on QM? They have lots of exercises.

Thanks. I found two: Laloe's and Norsen's.
The other two maybe of help: Neumaier's and Nelson Bolivar's.
Also, Matteo Paris's article maybe is of help (The modern tools of quantum mechanics).
 
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thaiqi said:
I found two

Good, then go do the exercises in them. If you have questions about a particular exercise, you can start a new thread (in the homework forum, since that's where questions about textbook exercises should go).

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Related to The probability when the wave-function collapses

1. What is the wave-function collapse?

The wave-function collapse is a fundamental concept in quantum mechanics that refers to the sudden transition of a quantum system from a superposition of multiple states to a single definite state when it is observed or measured.

2. How does the wave-function collapse affect probability?

The wave-function collapse affects probability by determining the likelihood of a quantum system being in a particular state after it has been observed. The collapse of the wave-function results in the system being in a single state, which then determines the probability of obtaining a specific measurement.

3. Can the wave-function collapse be predicted?

No, the wave-function collapse is a random and unpredictable process. According to the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, the outcome of a measurement is determined by a probabilistic distribution, and it is impossible to predict which state the system will collapse into.

4. Does the wave-function collapse occur every time a measurement is made?

Yes, the wave-function collapse occurs every time a measurement is made on a quantum system. This is because the act of measurement involves interacting with the system, which causes it to collapse into a single state.

5. What role does the observer play in the wave-function collapse?

The observer plays a crucial role in the wave-function collapse. According to the Copenhagen interpretation, the collapse occurs due to the interaction between the observer and the quantum system. Therefore, the observer's presence and actions are essential in determining the outcome of a measurement.

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