The intervals are equinumerous

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In summary, the conversation discusses the equinumerosity of two open intervals in $\mathbb{R}$. It is shown that for any two intervals $(0,1)$ and $(a,b)$, there exists a bijection between them. This is proven using the function $f(t)=(1-t)a+tb$ and solving linear equations. The injectivity and surjectivity of $f$ are demonstrated in different cases. Ultimately, it is concluded that $f$ is a bijection and therefore the two intervals are equinumerous.
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Hello! (Wave)

Each two open intervals in $\mathbb{R}$ are equinumerous.

It suffices to show that for each $a,b \in \mathbb{R}$ with $a<b$ it holds that $(0,1) \sim (a,b)$
$$f: (0,1) \xrightarrow[\text{surjective}]{\text{1-1}} (a,b)$$
$$f(t)=(1-t)a+b, t \in (0,1)$$

So this means for example that $(2,9) \sim (-5,100)$, right?
What surjective and 1-1 $f: (2,9) \to (-5,100)$ could we pick in order to show that these two intervals have the same cardinality? :confused:
 
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evinda said:
$$f: (0,1) \xrightarrow[\text{surjective}]{\text{1-1}} (a,b)$$
$$f(t)=(1-t)a+b, t \in (0,1)$$
It should be $f(t)=(1-t)a+tb$.

evinda said:
What surjective and 1-1 $f: (2,9) \to (-5,100)$ could we pick in order to show that these two intervals have the same cardinality?
You have two bijections: $f_1:(0,1)\to (2,9)$ and $f_2:(0,1) \to (-5,100)$. Then $f_2\circ f_1^{-1}: (2,9) \to (-5,100)$ is also a bijection.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
It should be $f(t)=(1-t)a+tb$.

Oh yes, right! (Nod)
Evgeny.Makarov said:
You have two bijections: $f_1: (0,1)\to (2,9)$ and $f_2: (0,1) \to (-5,100)$. Then $f_2\circ f_1^{-1}: (2,9) \to (-5,100)$ is also a bijection.

I see... Could we prove like that that $f$ is injective? (Thinking)

Let $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1)$ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.

$$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow bx_1 \neq bx_2 $$

$$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow -x_1 \neq -x_2 \Rightarrow 1-x_1 \neq 1-x_2 \Rightarrow (1-x_1) a \neq (1-x_2) a$$

$$\Rightarrow (1-x_1)a+x_1 b \neq (1-x_2)a+x_2b \Rightarrow f(x_1) \neq f(x_2)$$In order to prove that $f$ is surjective, we want to prove that $\forall y \in (a,b), \exists x \in (0,1)$ such that $f(x)=y \Rightarrow (1-x)a+xb=y$.
But how could we do this? (Thinking)
 
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evinda said:
Could we prove like that that $f$ is injective? (Thinking)

Let $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1)$ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.

$$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow bx_1 \neq bx_2 $$
This does not follow if $b=0$.

evinda said:
$$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow -x_1 \neq -x_2 \Rightarrow 1-x_1 \neq 1-x_2 \Rightarrow (1-x_1) a \neq (1-x_2) a$$
Again, the last implication does not hold if $a=0$.

evinda said:
$$\Rightarrow (1-x_1)a+x_1 b \neq (1-x_2)a+x_2b \Rightarrow f(x_1) \neq f(x_2)$$
And this does no hold at all. If you know that $a_1\ne a_2$ and $b_1\ne b_2$, it does not follow that $a_1+b_1\ne a_2+b_2$.

evinda said:
In order to prove that $f$ is surjective, we want to prove that $\forall y \in (a,b), \exists x \in (0,1)$ such that $f(x)=y \Rightarrow (1-x)a+xb=y$.
But how could we do this?
Have you tried solving a linear equation? This could help in proving injection as well.
 
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If $a=0 \wedge b=0$ then we wouldn't take the function $f(t)=(1-t)a+tb$ since it wouldn't be injective, right?
In this case we could take the function $f(x)=x$, right?Now if $b=0, a \neq 0$ then $f(t)=(1-t)a$.

We pick $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1) $ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.

$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow -x_1 \neq -x_2 \Rightarrow 1-x_1 \neq 1-x_2 \Rightarrow (1-x_1) a \neq (1-x_2)a \Rightarrow f(x_1) \neq f(x_2)$

Now if $a=0, b \neq 0$ then $f(t)=tb$

We pick $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1) $ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.$x_1 \neq x_2 \Rightarrow bx_1 \neq bx_2 \Rightarrow f(x_1) \neq f(x_2)$

Now we consider the case $a \neq 0, b \neq 0$.

We pick $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1) $ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.

Suppose that $f(x_1)=f(x_2) \Rightarrow (1-x_1)a+bx_1=(1-x_2)b+b x_2 \Rightarrow b(x_1-x_2)=a(x_1-x_2) \overset{x_1 \neq x_2}{\Rightarrow} a=b$

When $a=b$ then $f(t)=a$ and that would mean that $f$ is not surjective, but we will show that it is.$$(1-x)a+xb=y \Rightarrow a-xa+xb=y \Rightarrow (b-a)x+a=y$$

$$a<y<b \Rightarrow a<(b-a)x+a<b \Rightarrow 0<(b-a)x<b$$Can we use this inequality to show that $f$ is surjective? (Thinking)
 
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$(0,1)$ and $(a,b)$ are not equinumerous when $a=b$.

evinda said:
We pick $x_1, x_2 \in (0,1) $ with $x_1 \neq x_2$.

Suppose that $f(x_1)=f(x_2) \Rightarrow (1-x_1)a+bx_1=(1-x_2)b+b x_2 \Rightarrow b(x_1-x_2)=a(x_1-x_2) \overset{x_1 \neq x_2}{\Rightarrow} a=b$
This is a proof of injectivity when $a\ne b$ regardless of whether $a=0$ or $b=0$.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
$(0,1)$ and $(a,b)$ are not equinumerous when $a=b$.

Oh yes, right! (Nod)

Evgeny.Makarov said:
This is a proof of injectivity when $a\ne b$ regardless of whether $a=0$ or $b=0$.
It always holds that $a \neq b$, so doing it like that we come to a contradiction, right? (Thinking)
 
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Yes.
 
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Nice! (Smile)

And could we prove like that that $f$ is surjective? (Thinking)We want to show that $\forall y \in (a,b) \exists x \in (0,1)$ such that $f(x)=y$.
$f(x)=y \Rightarrow (1-x)a+bx=y \Rightarrow a-ax+bx=y \Rightarrow (b-a)x=y-a \overset{b \neq a}{\Rightarrow} x=\frac{y-a}{b-a}$

$$a<y<b \Rightarrow 0<y-a<b-a \overset{b-a>0}{\Rightarrow} 0< \frac{y-a}{b-a}<1 \Rightarrow 0<x<1$$So we see that we have shown that what we wanted to, therefore $f$ is surjective.
 
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Yes, that's correct.
 
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Evgeny.Makarov said:
Yes, that's correct.

Great! Thank you very much! (Happy)
 

Related to The intervals are equinumerous

What does it mean for two intervals to be equinumerous?

Equinumerosity refers to the property of two sets having the same number of elements. In the context of intervals, this means that both intervals contain the same number of points, even if the points themselves may have different values.

How is equinumerosity different from equality?

While equinumerosity implies equal cardinality (or number of elements) between two sets, equality refers to the exact same elements. In other words, two intervals can be equinumerous but not equal, as long as they have the same number of points.

What is the importance of equinumerosity in mathematics?

Equinumerosity is a fundamental concept in mathematics, as it allows us to compare the sizes of different sets. It also helps us to understand the concept of infinity, as two infinite sets can be equinumerous even if one seems to have more elements than the other.

How can we prove that two intervals are equinumerous?

To prove equinumerosity between two intervals, we can use the concept of one-to-one correspondence. This means that every point in one interval can be paired with a unique point in the other interval, and vice versa. If such a correspondence can be established, then the intervals are considered equinumerous.

Can intervals of different lengths be equinumerous?

Yes, intervals of different lengths can still be equinumerous as long as they contain the same number of points. For example, the interval [0,1] is equinumerous to the interval [0,2] because both contain an infinite number of points (uncountable infinity).

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