Symmetry of a lagrangian & Noether's theorem

L(f(q,t),df/dt)In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of Noether's theorem and its application to a given exercise. It is debated whether there is a small error in the exercise or if there is a way to show that the given quantity is indeed conserved. It is suggested that the transformation q->q+f(q,t) should have been used instead of q->f(q,t) in order for the quantity to be conserved.
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Homework Statement


Assuming that transformation q->f(q,t) is a symmetry of a lagrangian show that the quantity
[tex]f\frac{\partial L}{\partial q'} [/tex] is a constant of motion ([tex]q'=\frac{dq}{dt}[/tex]).

2. Noether's theorem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, what I guess is that this exercise isn't well-formulated. Noether's theorem is obviously first thing that comes to our minds. Quantity mentioned above, however, would be a constant of motion, if the transformation was q->q+f(q,t), not simply q->f(q,t), since the latter transformation leads us to q->q+(f(q,t)-q), and the conserved quantity [tex](f-q)\frac{\partial L}{\partial q'} [/tex].

Am I right and there is a tiny mistake in the exercise or there is a way to show that the given quantity is really conserved? (I tried and failed).
 
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Yeah I think they did mean q-> q+f(q,t), and it smells a lot like q->exp(iat)q
 
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Otherwise since q+dq=f(q,t) then dq = t*df/dt
 

Related to Symmetry of a lagrangian & Noether's theorem

1. What is the significance of symmetry in a lagrangian?

The symmetry of a lagrangian refers to the invariance of the equations of motion under certain transformations. This means that if the lagrangian remains the same after a specific transformation, then the equations of motion will also remain unchanged. This is an important aspect of physical laws as it allows us to make predictions and understand the behavior of a system.

2. How is symmetry related to conservation laws?

Symmetry is closely linked to conservation laws through Noether's theorem. This theorem states that for every continuous symmetry of a lagrangian, there exists a corresponding conserved quantity. For example, if a lagrangian is symmetric under translations in time, then energy is conserved. This connection between symmetry and conservation laws has been fundamental in understanding the laws of nature.

3. Can you explain Noether's theorem in simple terms?

Noether's theorem is a mathematical result that states that for every continuous symmetry of a physical system, there exists a corresponding conserved quantity. This means that if a system remains unchanged under a particular transformation, then there must be a quantity that remains constant throughout the system's evolution. This theorem has been applied in various fields of physics, including classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and field theory.

4. What are the types of symmetries in a lagrangian?

There are various types of symmetries in a lagrangian, including time translation symmetry, space translation symmetry, rotation symmetry, and gauge symmetry. Time translation symmetry refers to the invariance of the system under a change in time. Space translation symmetry means that the system remains unchanged when shifted in space. Rotation symmetry refers to the system remaining unchanged under rotations in space. Gauge symmetry is a more complex type of symmetry that is associated with the fundamental forces in nature.

5. How is Noether's theorem used in theoretical physics?

Noether's theorem is a powerful tool in theoretical physics, specifically in understanding the fundamental laws of nature. It has been applied in various areas, including classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and field theory, to derive conserved quantities and understand the symmetries of physical systems. This theorem has been instrumental in the development of modern physics and continues to be a fundamental concept in ongoing research and discoveries.

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