Solving an Unexpected Inelastic Collision Problem

In summary: Yes, you can use the Pythagorean theorem to determine that the mass of A is greater than the mass of B.
  • #1
Chocolaty
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Okay in an inelastic collision the formula the book taught me to use is this one:
m1v1 + m2v2 = (m1 + m2)V'

Now I've done every single problem in the book including the extra exercises, but of course when it comes to doing the homework they have to ask you questions which they haven't taught you how to work out. It feels to me like a 12 years old, if given the formulas could do any of these problems so the only thing they can do to make it harder is to ask you questions which you've never worked on before. Every question in the book relating to collisions involved 2 objects.
One of them with a velocity, coming from an angle hitting a stationary one, or both of them coming from different sides of the X-axis. But how do you work out a question where they are both coming from the same side of the axis?

Here's the question:
A football player on Team A moving at a velocity of 8m/s and an angle of 49 degree below the horizontal (below the x-axis) collides with a player on Team B. The player on Team B is moving at 7.5 m/s at an angle of 41 degree below the horizontal and has a mass of 110 kg. After the collision, the two players remain in contact and move along the horizontal. what is the mass of the player on Team A?

Now you can't work this problem out along the X-axis as you'd have 2 unknown variables: m1 & V'.
So then you try to do it along the Y-axis:
m1*8*sin-49 + 110*7.5*sin-41 = 0
-6.04*m1 - 541.25 = 0
-6.04*m1 = 541.25
m1 = -89.61

Obvioustly this isn't right unless this guy has figured out how to float around.

I'm sure it's something simple like you have to add a negative somewhere in the formula, but that's not written in my book.

Anyone? Thanks in advance
 
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  • #2
If both the players come from below the x-axis and collide at a point on the x-axis, then they both have positive momentum in the y-direction (upwards). So, using conservation of momentum, you know you can never end up with zero momentum in the y-direction. No wonder you ended up with negative mass.
Do you have a drawing of the problem? The vertical momenta should cancel out.
 
  • #3
Unfortunately there is no drawing for the problem.

So since they are coming from the same quadrant, how does one solve this problem without getting a negative mass?
 
  • #4
You don't. Your approach was correct, but this problem does not have a solution the way interpret it. As I said: A system with positive momentum in the y-direction will have the same positive momentum in the y-direction after collision. So I think the problem is a bit different, more likely we have for object (player) A:
[tex]p^A_x=m_A v^A_x = 8 m_A \cos (49^\circ), \qquad p^A_y=8 m_A \sin(49^{\circ})[/tex]
and for B:
[tex]p^B_x=m_B v^A_B = (7.5)(110) \cos (41^\circ), \qquad p^B_y=-(7.5)(110)\sin(41^{\circ})[/tex]

So A is moving in the positive x and y directions, but B is moving in the positive x- and negative y-direction. Do you have a way to check our answer?
 

Related to Solving an Unexpected Inelastic Collision Problem

1. How do you determine the final velocities of objects in an inelastic collision?

In an inelastic collision, the final velocities of objects can be determined using the conservation of momentum and conservation of kinetic energy equations. The final momentum of the system is equal to the initial momentum, and the final kinetic energy is equal to the initial kinetic energy minus the energy lost during the collision.

2. What factors can impact the outcome of an inelastic collision?

The outcome of an inelastic collision can be impacted by factors such as the masses and velocities of the objects involved, the angle of collision, and the elasticity of the objects. Friction and external forces may also play a role in the collision.

3. How can you tell if a collision is elastic or inelastic?

An elastic collision is one in which the total kinetic energy of the system is conserved, meaning there is no loss of energy during the collision. In an inelastic collision, some of the kinetic energy is converted into other forms of energy, such as heat or sound. To determine if a collision is elastic or inelastic, you can compare the total kinetic energy before and after the collision. If there is a decrease in kinetic energy, the collision is inelastic.

4. Can an inelastic collision be solved using the same equations as an elastic collision?

No, the equations used to solve for an inelastic collision are different from those used for an elastic collision. In an elastic collision, the objects bounce off each other, while in an inelastic collision, the objects stick together. This difference in outcome requires different equations to accurately calculate the final velocities.

5. What are some real-world examples of inelastic collisions?

Real-world examples of inelastic collisions include a car crashing into a wall, a baseball hitting a catcher's glove, or a person falling onto a mattress. In each of these cases, some of the kinetic energy is converted into other forms of energy, such as heat or sound, resulting in the objects sticking together after the collision.

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